Skip to content
×
Pro Members Get
Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
ANNUAL Save 54%
$32.50 /mo
$390 billed annualy
MONTHLY
$69 /mo
billed monthly
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
Pick markets, find deals, analyze and manage properties. Try BiggerPockets PRO.
x
All Forum Categories
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

All Forum Posts by: Simon Powe

Simon Powe has started 1 posts and replied 8 times.

Thanks Anthony. Definitely did not think through some of those variables. If not in Cleveland direct, are there any other Ohio markets which may have more cash flowing inventory?

Quote from @Anthony Angotti:

@Simon Powe

Multifamily will generally have higher turnover than single family and it can also be a bit higher maintenance since the tenants seem to take less care of the units. This is based on my own experience, but I think it's similar for most MF owners. 

You'll also want to pick your unit size based on the part of town you invest in. 

If the area is known for a good school district you won't want 1 bed places. If it's known as a more entertainment area your large units will usually be roommates so it's sometimes best to shoot for 1/2 bed units. 


That's something not a lot of ppl think about. 

Also, you'll want to look at value add opportunities with utility optimization, either a reno project to pass utilities on to tenants or some kind of billing system. If you want to be buying right now and can't self source leads though you're probably going to need to adjust your acceptable numbers and focus on the long term. Expecting big cash flow in multifamily apartments right now is kind of a fool's errand because if you find it it's probably in an area that won't be kind for out of state ppl with a third party property manager. 


Quote from @Robert Ellis:
Quote from @Simon Powe:

Hello all. I am a small out of state investor with a few single family rentals in Cleveland suburbs. I started researching and then bought in 2021-2022 then paused to stabilize and get a better lay of the land. By the time I was ready to jump back in and buy again rates had shot up as had prices. It slowed my roll.

 I would like to start again but  accelerate and to get more doors I figure a small apartment building may be the way to go. I am thinking a 10-15 unit building. I dont see many on Zillow which was where i found my other properties. 

So I would love to know where and how I can source such properties.

Would also like to connect with some good investor friendly cleveland realtors with ears to the ground.

And I'd love to hear about everyone else's experiences with moving from single to multifamily investing. 

Thanks in advance, I've learnt a lot from your posts as well as the Bigger Pockets podcast and look forward to learning more.


find a strategy that is repeatable and duplicatable and gets your money back. Build to rent development is a great strategy. Cleveland is cash flow, we do build to rent in columbus urban infill where prices are the highest and land prices make sense. rents are good and on a DSCR can pull out cash and do again. easy scalable strategy and sell the portfolio eventually 1031 into something greater. I'd sell every Cleveland house and put your money in a better market. just my 2 cents as someone from ohio and who lived in columbus for 12 years


Hey Robert, building as an out of state investor is pretty impossible for me. It's hard enough to find food management much less good builders from a distance.

I've heard good things about Columbus, but I'm just getting my feet wet and gaining some familiarity with Cleveland market. I can't do the learning curve on a new market just now. I simply don't have the brain capacity and time.

Quote from @Marc Rice:
Quote from @Simon Powe:

Hello all. I am a small out of state investor with a few single family rentals in Cleveland suburbs. I started researching and then bought in 2021-2022 then paused to stabilize and get a better lay of the land. By the time I was ready to jump back in and buy again rates had shot up as had prices. It slowed my roll.

 I would like to start again but  accelerate and to get more doors I figure a small apartment building may be the way to go. I am thinking a 10-15 unit building. I dont see many on Zillow which was where i found my other properties. 

So I would love to know where and how I can source such properties.

Would also like to connect with some good investor friendly cleveland realtors with ears to the ground.

And I'd love to hear about everyone else's experiences with moving from single to multifamily investing. 

Thanks in advance, I've learnt a lot from your posts as well as the Bigger Pockets podcast and look forward to learning more.


 You'll want to source these deals off market from brokers and wholesalers.


I have no links with wholesalers or any brokers in off market world. Are there any you can recommend?

Quote from @Min Zhang:

Hey Simon! I’d suggest reaching out to some local agents in the area. They may have some off-market opportunities that could work well for you. Also, connecting with fellow Cleveland investors could get you some great deals, especially if anyone has 10-15 unit properties they’re looking to offload. I’m really excited to see you back at it, best of luck!

Thanks Min. Any recommendations as to agents who you are familiar with their work?
Quote from @James Wise:
Quote from @Simon Powe:

Hello all. I am a small out of state investor with a few single family rentals in Cleveland suburbs. I started researching and then bought in 2021-2022 then paused to stabilize and get a better lay of the land. By the time I was ready to jump back in and buy again rates had shot up as had prices. It slowed my roll.

 I would like to start again but  accelerate and to get more doors I figure a small apartment building may be the way to go. I am thinking a 10-15 unit building. I dont see many on Zillow which was where i found my other properties. 

So I would love to know where and how I can source such properties.

Would also like to connect with some good investor friendly cleveland realtors with ears to the ground.

And I'd love to hear about everyone else's experiences with moving from single to multifamily investing. 

Thanks in advance, I've learnt a lot from your posts as well as the Bigger Pockets podcast and look forward to learning more.


The inventory on small apartment buildings like that is incredibly small. Not just what's for sale, but what has physically been built here in the area. There is a decent amount of 6 unit buildings that you'll see in the area, however not many come up for sale very often. I bought a ton of them about 10 or so years ago. When buildings like this do come up, it's usually placed on the MLS, but you're gonna need to keep an eye on the market for long stretches of time. These ain't like buying a duplex where there is 100 of them on Zillow at any given point and time.


 Thanks James. You ate up all the inventory! Are there any other areas in Ohio besides Cleveland where there may be better chances to acquire them?

Quote from @Scott Pavich:

@Simon Powe

You should consider joining the Cleveland real estate investors club for partners and leads.

They have a section on their website with multifamily deals for sale.

https://www.greaterclevelandreia.com/PropertyList.aspx?search=searchmfall


 Thanks for responding. What platform is that group located?

Hello all. I am a small out of state investor with a few single family rentals in Cleveland suburbs. I started researching and then bought in 2021-2022 then paused to stabilize and get a better lay of the land. By the time I was ready to jump back in and buy again rates had shot up as had prices. It slowed my roll.

 I would like to start again but  accelerate and to get more doors I figure a small apartment building may be the way to go. I am thinking a 10-15 unit building. I dont see many on Zillow which was where i found my other properties. 

So I would love to know where and how I can source such properties.

Would also like to connect with some good investor friendly cleveland realtors with ears to the ground.

And I'd love to hear about everyone else's experiences with moving from single to multifamily investing. 

Thanks in advance, I've learnt a lot from your posts as well as the Bigger Pockets podcast and look forward to learning more.