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All Forum Posts by: Duane Gunkler

Duane Gunkler has started 13 posts and replied 51 times.

Post: Logic vs. Emotion in a Rent vs. Sell Decision

Duane Gunkler
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  • Acworth, GA
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 22

@Ken M. I moved in with her there a couple years ago and we moved out this past year, once our new home was completed, so we would qualify for living there 2 out of the last 5 years for sure.

Post: Logic vs. Emotion in a Rent vs. Sell Decision

Duane Gunkler
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  • Acworth, GA
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 22

So, the TL;DR version -- 5BR 4.5BA house.  Value about $500k, owe $258k -- 30 year @ 2.25%.  Rent about $2,800 and cash flow about $800 after cap ex, op ex, etc.  Logic = Rent.  Emotion side is that it was my wife's and late husband's house, so she wants to sell.  

As you can see from the brief description above, I'm in a tough spot with this house. It was my new wife and her late husband's primary residence and the home they built where they raised their two children from 2016 - 2019 when they lost him. We have since built our own new home and moved out of the property and it is now vacant. Obviously there is a tremendous amount of emotion tied to the property. She would like to sell it so that it's not a constant reminder and I completely understand why she would feel that way. Obviously, on paper, I would much rather keep the home and rent it out having such great equity and an amazing rate. It is in a very desirable neighborhood with amazing amenities. It has a VA loan currently, so if we were to sell, I suppose I could try to market to other VA-eligible buyers so that they could maybe keep the 2.25% if that's an option to try to add value. Just curious to get the thoughts of some fellow REI folks to see your thoughts on this one?

Post: Slow Paying tenants - thinking about just selling the place.

Duane Gunkler
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  • Acworth, GA
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 22
Quote from @Chris Rich:
Quote from @Duane Gunkler:

I have a 2BR/2.5BA townhouse that I have had the same tenants in for a little over two years.  They've been late on the rent forever, and have slowly been slipping further and further behind.  I am just not seeing any progress toward getting caught up so my options are to terminate them living there (they're on month-to-month now because I did not resign another lease) or I am considering selling the townhouse to be done with them and free up the equity.  Curious to hear some thoughts input from the hive mind?  I bought the townhouse in June 2019 for $158k.  It is worth approximately $250k - $260k (Zillow at $262k).  Rent is currently at $1725/mo.  Thoughts?

In my experience, when I have self-managing landlords come to us because they're running into this issue you are having, the tenants will cooperate at first, and then either stop paying and move out, or have to be evicted.  Some tenants are used to routinely paying late and take advantage of self-managing landlords.  The hard part is once you let them start paying late without penalty, they continue to do so.

I'm not sure selling solely because of a bad tenant is the best idea.  I highly doubt you would be able to replicate the same type of cash flow scenario currently.  I'd have a "come to Jesus" meeting with the tenants, and if they don't shape up, evict and find new tenants.  

I agree. They will be on a very short leash moving forward. I tried to be empathetic for as long as I could but it had reached a breaking point. There were some other extenuating circumstances that had me considering selling, but that was NOT the ideal path I wanted to take. Thankfully I have resolved those and no longer need to free up the equity in that property. 

Post: Slow Paying tenants - thinking about just selling the place.

Duane Gunkler
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  • Acworth, GA
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 22
Quote from @Darwin Beloate:

Duane - You posted your situation four months ago.... Curious as to what you decided to do.   

I sent a notice to quit and let them know that I want to be empathetic to their situation, but I needed them to get current or I’d have to move forward with eviction process. They are now back current on rent, but will be on a pretty tight leash. 

Post: Might be selling two properties - is it worth getting real estate license first?

Duane Gunkler
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  • Acworth, GA
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 22

@Russell Brazil Thank you for the input. I would enjoy seeking out properties for myself and having the license to build those connections. I have a full-time W2 job currently, so I wouldn’t be able to actively be a realtor, but I understand what you’re saying about the fees to maintain the license, continuing education training, etc. I guess what I am most curious about is how much I would actually save having my license. There will be a cost for the class/test/etc. Then, I would imagine the company that lets me operate as an agent will want a cut of the two sales as well. I’m just curious what those in the field think my total costs of doing it myself might be vs using someone to list the properties?

Post: Slow Paying tenants - thinking about just selling the place.

Duane Gunkler
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Posted
  • Acworth, GA
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 22

@Noah Bacon - Thank you for the input! I agree, I’m not a fan of selling the property (although there are some things I could do with the equity). I do cash flow on the property, so I enjoy that aspect of having it. I have another property that cash flows well too, and I am looking to add to my portfolio, not take away from it. What might you suggest is a fair catch-up plan? They are currently 2 months behind on rent. What’s your thought on a realistic plan to get caught up if I opt not to sell?

Post: Slow Paying tenants - thinking about just selling the place.

Duane Gunkler
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Posted
  • Acworth, GA
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 22
Quote from @Hunter Reed:

Duane, why have you not terminated the tenants the first time they were 7 + days late on rent?

I realize I let it go for far too long. I can’t change that now, so I’m looking for advice on how to proceed from here. 

Post: Might be selling two properties - is it worth getting real estate license first?

Duane Gunkler
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  • Acworth, GA
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 22

So long story short, I have a townhouse I might sell (~$250k) and a house (~$520k).  I'm wondering if it would be worth getting my real estate license and then listing them myself.  I am fairly knowledgeable about real estate, so I'm thinking that the combined $20k-ish in listing fees might be worth it for me to just go ahead and crank out my real estate license.  There are plenty of other long-term benefits of me having the license for future purchases, etc., but curious if anyone here has faced the same decision, if so, what you decided, and what you learned from it?

Thanks in advance!

Post: Slow Paying tenants - thinking about just selling the place.

Duane Gunkler
Pro Member
Posted
  • Acworth, GA
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 22

I have a 2BR/2.5BA townhouse that I have had the same tenants in for a little over two years.  They've been late on the rent forever, and have slowly been slipping further and further behind.  I am just not seeing any progress toward getting caught up so my options are to terminate them living there (they're on month-to-month now because I did not resign another lease) or I am considering selling the townhouse to be done with them and free up the equity.  Curious to hear some thoughts input from the hive mind?  I bought the townhouse in June 2019 for $158k.  It is worth approximately $250k - $260k (Zillow at $262k).  Rent is currently at $1725/mo.  Thoughts?

Post: New Construction - Builder overbudget and might not close in time

Duane Gunkler
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  • Acworth, GA
  • Posts 51
  • Votes 22
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

@Duane Gunkler 1) Did your builder issue you a Change Order every time they went 'over budget' ? Did you sign these COs? 2) What does your Contract say about him running long on the schedule?

With a 'Fixed Price' Contract, you are only obligated to pay the amount on the bottom line where you both signed.......unless there are Change Orders that list what is being done as an extra, how much it is and the new total. Just because he needs more money does not mean he can legally receive it from you. Like I said, unless he has a signed CO. That's pretty black and white.

How do you feel about the additional money? Was it your fault or his fault that it was needed and spent? If you feel you have some culpability in the matter, then maybe you need to sit down and have a chat about this. Otherwise he needs to finish up and move along. Using money from one project to finish another is common, but it may be illegal depending on the state.

Another issue is this: Do you have signed releases from every sub-contractor that has completed work on the job? Like concrete, fire sprinklers or roof? Those are usually finished early on....? If you do not have releases in hand from these subs, your GC may not be paying them and using those draws from your job to pay them for other jobs. 

For example, if concrete is done and the GC cannot provide you with a release, you need to stop all work right there.

You have a lot on your plate here and I would get a handle on this before you go any further. It is not too early at all to contact a Construction or Real Estate Attorney, it might even be too late. So that would be my first advice. Whatever you do, do NOT give him any more money to try and move him along.

Long time builder so PM me if you need any more help....


 No change orders for any of the items that they went over budget on.  There have been a couple things that we did know we were going over on, like the carpet padding and carpet for example, so we paid the extra $5K or whatever it was.  We have also spent several thousand putting in a central vacuum, wiring the house for internet, etc.  They only gave an absurd $3,000 for appliances, so we obviously went well over that.  We have already put in about $50K of our own, above what the contracted price was.  I am willing to come out of pocket some to help alleviate the rising prices of materials, but I'm not going to put in 32% above the fixed-price contract we signed.  A large portion of that is them underpricing it to begin with, and mismanaging some of the steps along the way.  32% over is gross negligence on their part.  

As for the contractors and liens, I am worried.  I know that he has not been doing a good job paying many of them and I am very concerned about them coming back and putting a lien on the property.  The contractor that framed the house is owed $67K still (that's between our house and another one they did for the builder).  

A major reason for me posting this in this forum was in hopes that someone on here would have a good recommendation for an attorney or for someone with the legal background would connect with me through here.  

Thanks so much for the input!