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All Forum Posts by: Drew Shirley

Drew Shirley has started 4 posts and replied 153 times.

Post: Nearing 1,000 College Student Tenants: Here's what I've Learned

Drew ShirleyPosted
  • Attorney / Multifamily Investor
  • Houston, TX
  • Posts 173
  • Votes 136

Great thread! I'm amazed to hear you say you don't require parent co-signers. It's that much of a hassle?

My question is how you structure your leases. Do they all come due on June 1, or July 1, or August 1, and do you insist on year-long leases?

Post: Tenant left water on for a week and destroyed my house

Drew ShirleyPosted
  • Attorney / Multifamily Investor
  • Houston, TX
  • Posts 173
  • Votes 136

I cannot believe you are considering letting them move back in. I really can't.

Post: How would you structure this partnership?

Drew ShirleyPosted
  • Attorney / Multifamily Investor
  • Houston, TX
  • Posts 173
  • Votes 136

It's all negotiable and will depend a lot on the expected returns, but it's reasonable for the money partner to want more than 50% of the deal. In a big syndication, the equity partners will get 70-80% of the deal. But if B is happy with 50%, that's a good deal for A.

If B says he wants 70% of this outrageously good deal, why wouldn't A take it? 30% of a great deal is better than 100% of nothing.

Post: Houston Investors...Did you/do you now have flood insurance?

Drew ShirleyPosted
  • Attorney / Multifamily Investor
  • Houston, TX
  • Posts 173
  • Votes 136

I happened to give a little presentation about this the other night, so here's the deal. To prove inverse condemnation, the plaintiff will have to show:

1. Ownership of a protected property interest

2. That was taken or damaged by the government's actions

3. Diminution in value of the property resulted from government's actions

4. Direct, immediate, substantial interference with use and enjoyment of property

5. Government's actions were intentional and were substantially certain to cause the harm that resulted

6. Damage was greater in extent than otherwise would have been

The battle lines will be drawn on #6 because the others are pretty much a lock. I've also seen the theory that the government will argue that it didn't know precisely which houses would be flooded, but I don't think that's a winner. 

If they can argue the damage would have been worse without the controlled releases, that could get them off the hook. But "they had no choice but to release the dams" is not a winning argument. 

Post: Taxable Event? Reinvesting Acquisition Fee as Equity

Drew ShirleyPosted
  • Attorney / Multifamily Investor
  • Houston, TX
  • Posts 173
  • Votes 136

Yes, I was hoping a CPA might answer :)

Post: What is stopping you from investing in multifamily?

Drew ShirleyPosted
  • Attorney / Multifamily Investor
  • Houston, TX
  • Posts 173
  • Votes 136
Originally posted by @Joseph Bramante:
Originally posted by @Jonathan Jewell:

Speaking of syndication attorneys.  I did speak to a well known one out in CA (Not naming names), and it was really not a good overall experience.  Basically was told I had to do all the marketing, and all the contacting of potential investors, set up the websites etc.  I then asked what exactly then does the $15k fee I'm paying cover if I'm doing most of the work????   Answer was the fee was to file the 506c paperwork because its really complex and time consuming.  Just completely turned me off.  But reading through this thread got me interested again,

 After doing several PPMs, I can tell you that a lot of the language is boilerplate. After you have done a few PPMs through attorneys and other sources, you can take a stab at writing them yourself. I'm sure I will get a lot of grief from the attorneys on here who specialize in this, but myself and several of my mentors have or currently write our own PPMs. You do NOT need to be an attorney to write these. The attorneys will certainly do their best to scare you into using them and list the thousand different ways you can end up sued or in jail but that is just scare tactics. And you should certainly listen to their advice when you are new because you need to know these things. Once you are dealing only with accredited investors, it takes a lot of responsibility off of you and puts it onto them, since in the eyes of the law "they should know better". Nonaccrediteds have a lot more protections in place to prevent people from ripping them off, but those "rich" accredited's have fewer protections and should be well versed in the risk of every investment, so they don't need you to tell them of the risk in your PPM. This is why you can advertise to accrediteds but not nonaccrediteds if you have the right offering open. 

But yes, you will be spending about 20k all in (including operating agreement) before you even have a PPM to raise capital. Takes money to make money, as they say. 

You may be surprised to hear me agree with this, somewhat. I think a sophisticated, experienced syndicator could probably draft his own documents and they'd mostly be okay. I don't know why anyone would want to, though. I can draft all the documents but I really don't want to. I'd much rather pay the $20k for someone else to draft them and save myself the brain damage. In a $10 million deal, that's two-tenths of a point. 

Post: Just Getting Started - How Do I Go About Forming an LLC

Drew ShirleyPosted
  • Attorney / Multifamily Investor
  • Houston, TX
  • Posts 173
  • Votes 136
Attorney here. You don't need one right now. Focus on finding deals and financing. Once you get a deal under contract, then worry about the entity. I'm not your lawyer and this is not legal advice.

Post: Taxable Event? Reinvesting Acquisition Fee as Equity

Drew ShirleyPosted
  • Attorney / Multifamily Investor
  • Houston, TX
  • Posts 173
  • Votes 136

@Nicole Bernshaw Sponsor will sometimes receive an acquisition fee (1-3% of purchase price) at the closing of the purchase, payment for putting the deal together. So that's a fee right at the beginning of the ownership cycle.

Post: Houston Investors...Did you/do you now have flood insurance?

Drew ShirleyPosted
  • Attorney / Multifamily Investor
  • Houston, TX
  • Posts 173
  • Votes 136

I didn't have flood insurance but I do now! Not worth the risk IMO.

Post: Need guidance on the best way to start

Drew ShirleyPosted
  • Attorney / Multifamily Investor
  • Houston, TX
  • Posts 173
  • Votes 136

@Ana Patrice I have one contact for a wholesaler who's done more than 1,000 deals. PM me and I'll send you his contact info.