Skip to content
×
PRO
Pro Members Get Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
$0
TODAY
$69.00/month when billed monthly.
$32.50/month when billed annually.
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
Already a Pro Member? Sign in here
Pick markets, find deals, analyze and manage properties. Try BiggerPockets PRO.
x
All Forum Categories
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

All Forum Posts by: Drew Holland

Drew Holland has started 0 posts and replied 42 times.

Post: Investors, do you use a bookkeeper?

Drew HollandPosted
  • Orange County, CA
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 22

@Bastian Kneuse Absolutely correct! and other financial services, reports, analysis and execution.  Bookkeeping is really the foundation; we could literally use the same analogy as a building.  Without solid bookkeeping (foundation) you can't build your financial framework, analysis and ultimately plans for growth (structure).  I'll provide a brief outline of a the financial side of the house from a ~$100K-$100MM per year operation.  Beyond that you start getting into REITs which adhere to strict SEC regulations and have a completely different and more complex structures.  Keep in mind this is a rough estimate and I've seen all sorts of combinations and creative structures in-between.  

Important to note as @Mark H. Porter pointed out and is VERY correct, you should always separate your financial operations and your TPMs for a variety of reasons.  


To start, a good Bookkeeper will ask for back up, clarify expenditures and make sure bills (property taxes) are being paid, rents are being collected and the bank account(s) reconcile.  As @Ron Flatt mentioned, many bookkeepers will also notify owners or managers of cash outlays, unreconciled items and period end closings with clean financials; they should last you through $100K-5MM in annual revenue and some can have utility through $5-10MM, especially if they can process payroll (always outsource processing).  

Beyond that they start to become a Staff Accountant and eventually you need to split these into different rolls; somewhere around $7MM-15MM.  You'll want an Accounts Payable (AP)/Staff Accountant and Property Accountant/Controller, many firms will change the title and roles.  The accounts payable/staff accountant will oversee expenditures, payroll admin and sometimes rent collection and bank admin.  The property accountant will reconcile bank accounts, rent reconciliations, create (maybe post) journal entries, preform CAM recs (commercial assets) and do the period end closing with financials to shareholders (lenders, owners, partners, etc).   

As revenue and activity grow you will need more property accountants yet your AP/staff accountant role should be at capacity until about $75MM in revenue.  At $50MM+ in revenue you would need at least 2 property accountants and a controller to oversee operations, interpret financials, present to ownership/partners.  Your bank might require an annual audit, review or comp which is another expenditure.  Many firms would probably have a larger headcount, including a CFO, because you also need to have solid internal controls.  At $100MM+ there should be AP/staff, property accountant, senior property accountant, controller and CFO.  

This is really a rough outline and I've seen it done with many variations of this example and beyond.    We kind of tailor fit our solutions to the client.  For example, a large multi-family client will be heavy property accounting and reporting, while a developer is heavy AP and forecasting; it really depends.  Many times as owners accumulate wealth they lean more on the financial operations and the trust that should be built there.  


More and more of this will be automated yet the oversight, creativity and strategy won't be.  I could go on forever and there are books that do a better job; hope this helps.  DM me if you want to chat more.  

Post: Investors, do you use a bookkeeper?

Drew HollandPosted
  • Orange County, CA
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 22

Great question!  It really depends on size (revenue), strategy and complexity.  There's not a general rule and as a professional accountant specializing in real estate investment companies I would always recommend hiring a professional bookkeeper or accountant (if you're not already an expert).  I wouldn't renovate an asset without a professional contractor or run electrical lines without an electrician; the list goes on and is the same for financial data and reporting (especially as you grow).  With lending requirements tightening up, creditors will be that much more diligent about reviewing financials.   

Our company Blue Top Financial (bluetopfinancial.com) specializes in accounting services for real estate investment companies and I'd be happy to help you find a bookkeeper with us, or another company.  Our services range from basic bookkeeping to outsourced CFO services; we charge hourly or on a project basis.  Most bookkeepers charge on an hourly basis and are very reasonable.  Please message me for more information or to chat about your goals.  

@Ron Flatt  Sounds like you have a great and trustworthy bookkeeper!  Please let me know if I can help her out with your cash flow projections, forecasting or capital expenditures budgeting in the future.  



Happy Investing!

bluetopfinancial.com