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All Forum Posts by: Drew Chance

Drew Chance has started 10 posts and replied 17 times.

Post: Palm Springs Area

Drew ChancePosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 20

Very interested in Palm Springs and Coachella Valley investment opportunities. Please reach out if you are investing, want to invest, or know more about investing in the desert. Any RE Investment Club meet ups would be helpful too. I split time between San Diego and Palm Springs and looking to get more active in the desert. 


Thanks

Post: Hold off on the Fix and Flip Guru's - START HERE

Drew ChancePosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 20

I hear these ads on the radio or on Facebook all the time... "Learn to start flipping houses right here in your neighborhood." And a 100 other come ons to get newbie investors to pay money to get some knowledge about wholesaling and flipping. I don't specific data to back this up, but I would have to venture to say the majority of people that go to those events don't do anything with it. The ones that do, do something with it would have figured out the knowledge given by the Guru's one way or the other, because they truly wanted to work at it, and figure it out. I am not saying don't waste your money on the Guru's, because there is huge networking potential at those meetings, massive knowledge on what NOT to do, and maybe other valuable learning at them. Keep in mind, my opinions are my own, and I invest in San Diego, your market may be very different!

I just thought I would share my super simple formula to determine is a flip is a good buy for us and a couple other tactics that I am certain you could get for free, if you don't feel like spending the money with a Guru.

Our quick flipping formula when we need to analyze a deal on the fly (BP Calculator is Better but we can do this in the field):

Start with After Repaired Value (ARV) get very comfortable looking at comparable sales (not just size and location, but finishes, and understand the product the investors are going to put out when you are done forcing that appreciation through renovation (new kitchen, bathrooms, flooring, paint, opening up kitchen to living room, new windows, roof, or whatever the home needs to be sold at a high market value).

Back out selling expenses: for us we are typically paying 4-5% in commissions to sell a home, 1% of the sales price in closing costs (escrow, title, transfer taxes, property taxes we didn't pay during ownership). Simply ARV x .94 in the calculator is the first step.

Back out repairs: this is going to be very tough for newer investors and realtor alike. Frankly, we struggle with this and it is an art that you will improve with over time. A renovation line item spreadsheet (which can be found on BP, will help, but if you plug in garbage, you will get out garbage), so take some time to network and speak to investors that have completed projects, speak to contractors that are doing cosmetic remodels for flippers, listen to the recent BP podcast on finding Rockstar Contractors - tons of amazing tips I got out of there.  Once you get good and this skill, you will look at a house and just now its $50,000-$60,000 to complete that project, since you have do it 100 times. But getting to 100 times, is going to take some work, A LOT of research and asking around, googling cost per foot of roofs, concrete in your area, etc. Make friends with a good GC, who you can just quickly ask what does a roof cost on a 1600 sqft house? GC: Oh its about $9/ft in our area, so that's a good starting point. How much is 10 cabinets installed with quartz counter tops? GC: Im getting complete kitchens installed for $7000 with cabinets, tops, and appliances. That is how the conversation will go, and you won't be plugging in garbage numbers any more. Always leave a pad at the end of a reno, because I can assure what, what can go wrong, will go wrong. 10-15% of the total reno should be a good pad, but check with people in your area on this. Calculator formula is now ARV x .94 (less) - $50,000 (estimated renovation)

Back out desired profit: What do you want to make? $1,000,000? Well you can want what you want, but the market will dictate what is reasonable. I am in San Diego and investors are typically underwriting their deals with a desired 10% cash on cash return for fix and flip deals. Some of the bigger investors will go down lower than that and use annualized ROI as their goal wanting to hit 25-40% annualized since the money can be turned 3-4 times per year flipping. KNOW YOUR MARKET! Analyze other successful flips by looking at MLS listings of finished flip homes, what did that investor buy it for? How much reno was it. Use this formula to guess at what they made on the project. Do it 10-20 times and you will see normal, reasonable profit margins. Of course, there are homeruns, but they are not the norm, but amazing when they happen.

Calculator formula is now ARV x .94 (less) - Renovation (less) - Desired Profit (10% of total project cost - acquisition + renovations)

What you are left with after you is a number. That number is a max purchase price for us. We typically are going to offer south of that originally and hope to end up between our original offer, and that max purchase price. If the deal doesn't work for us with these numbers, we move on to the next. We spit out hundreds of offers to get very few deals. Not all will work for us, and thats ok. The more we look at the better we become at analyzing these deals, so when the right project comes along, we are ready and able to take it down. 

This formula is good for analyzing several deals quickly and will get you a close idea of expected outcomes. Much more due diligence is done prior to closing a deal: a formal renovation budget, inspections, comps are verified and analyzed, title researched. Please partner up with someone who has walked this road before you, at least a good agent that can guide you. The Guru's are going to tell you some of those things. Just wanted to share our formula.

If you are looking to learn more or link up in San Diego or Southern California. Reach out! I am a CA Licensed Broker with 10 years of fix and flip and real estate investing experience. 

Post: 6 Unit apartment building near Downtown San Diego

Drew ChancePosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 20

@Lee Ripma - We treaded very carefully with the tenants, as we did not want to displace these people from their homes they had lived in several years. We started our value add with the exterior, then turned our attention inside. We were able to put up two of the tenants in a hotel nearby why we did some interior renovations to their units. When we began inside the units, we discussed they had been badly neglected by the prior owner, and we really had no option than to 60 day notice some of the tenants in the units that were below, what we and our property manager considered to be, a standard of living. We have since renovated the majority of the units. Our manager has been integral in communicating and educating us along the way. I would recommend a strong property manager until your mgmt skills are honed. I am a 10 year experienced real estate agent and now Broker, and I wanted the first few multi family deals I do to be with someone that had walked the path before me. To me it was worth the money. Best of luck!

Post: 6 Unit apartment building near Downtown San Diego

Drew ChancePosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 20

Investment Info:

Large multi-family (5+ units) buy & hold investment in San Diego.

Purchase price: $1,175,000
Cash invested: $288,000

Stabilizing period. Purchased below market value and rents well below market. The units were in very poor condition. The property is undergoing an extensive remodel and leased out to long term tenants at market rents.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I have always wanted to own units. I was able to purchase a duplex in San Diego in mid 2018 and this 6-unit with partner near the end of 2018. Both were value add purchases that, in my opinion, had significant upside in value and rents.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

This deal came from a property manager that we had known from networking with local agents. We made an offer on the property before it hit the MLS, the seller wanted to test the market, didn't get his price on the open market, and we settled on a price that worked for the seller and ourselves.

How did you finance this deal?

The property was purchased with 25% down and a hard money loan for the remainder of the investment. We needed a quicker close on this, so we had to use the more expensive financing option, but are looking to refinance the property with a commercial loan from a local bank in the coming months.

How did you add value to the deal?

We began with exterior renovations and noticed a couple of tenants that had units that needed the most work. Once the tenants had vacated the property we began to remodel the units completely. We were able to raise the rents significantly with the repairs as the previous owner had let the units deteriorate over the years.

What was the outcome?

We still own the property and should be in a cash flow positive position within the next couple of months when we have full, or close to full, occupancy.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

We have learned a tremendous amount on this project: from dealing with tenants, their rights, timelines and scheduling, and costs to remodel units we are keeping longer term, versus preparing for market to resell (our primary business is fixing and flipping). The only challenge in my opinion is the speed of the transaction. I feel we are pumping in so much capital and not seeing an immediate return. But I am trying to work on my patience.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Yes, a property manger/listing agent on acquisition, and a property management to manage the units now, a hard money lender for purchase, and a commercial lender for the refinance. I would be happy to recommend any of the contacts we used. Just reach out to me directly for what you need. I am happy to help.

Post: Cosmetic Fix and Flip in Chula Vista, CA

Drew ChancePosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 20

Investment Info:

Single-family residence fix & flip investment in Chula Vista.

Purchase price: $470,000
Cash invested: $144,000
Sale price: $615,000

SFR residence built in 1992, needed cosmetic renovations only to increase value. Seller's had let the condition deteriorate over the years, wanted a quick cash purchase and short rent back to help them move to their next location, freeing up the equity they had built in the home. We were able to close the transaction in 10 days, rented back for about 20 days, remodeled in 30 days, and sold it quickly.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

This is the primary investing strategy that my company focuses on; residential fix and flip (value add) in the San Diego area.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

This opportunity was brought to my attention from an Agent in my network that had the listing upcoming. We made an offer immediately and secured the property.

How did you finance this deal?

20% down and a hard money loan for the remainder of the purchase.

How did you add value to the deal?

Renovated the entire house: new kitchen, refinished wood floors, remodeled bathrooms, painted inside and out, landscaping, baseboards, all new lighting fixtures, and more. Got the house showing in its best light for the market.

What was the outcome?

We were able to purchase the home in July and exit by middle of October. We sold the house for our pro forma number, and came in at budget on our renovation.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

This was one of the smoother transactions I have been a part of. With that said, I think we can always improve and we made some material purchase mistakes that maybe cost us an extra $1000. But as far as time held, remodel, listing, it was a very easy transaction that I never doubted would be a successful investment.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Yes, the agent who brought us the deal is an absolute pro. And our hard money lender has been so easy to work with and always performs quickly for us. Please DM me for details on names, as I don't want to broadcast without their permission.

Post: Fix and Flip turned into Buy and Hold

Drew ChancePosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 20

Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) buy & hold investment in San Diego.

Purchase price: $363,000
Cash invested: $130,000

Purchased a duplex in City Heights area of San Diego to fix and flip. But after remodeling, decided to hang on to it as a rental property. Both units are leased out with 1-year leases. The remodel was just under $90,000 and was top to bottom remodel of both units: new kitchens, bathrooms, flooring, some windows needed to be replaced, plumbing was updated, landscaping, and more.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I have been a flipper in San Diego for several years. Never hung on to properties as long term investments until getting involved with BP. I am looking to start holding on to investments long term to grow wealth for the long term.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

This deal came from the MLS. I was able to find it the day it was listed. Made a cash offer and beat out a few others. Closed with a hard money loan.

How did you finance this deal?

I used a hard money lender that I have used many times. Was able to get it closed in about 10 days.

How did you add value to the deal?

Remodeled the entire property: new kitchens, bathrooms, flooring, painting interior and exterior, landscaping, new roof on back unit, opened up kitchen to living room in front unit.

What was the outcome?

I intended to purchase the property as a fix and flip, per my normal business. But during the remodel I started to really like the property and felt the area is improving and thought it would be a good hold. I was able to complete a convention refinance and get the hard money loan paid off. Brought my brother in law on as a small partner so I wouldn't have so much capital tied up in the deal.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

We probably would have not spent so much on the remodel if the end result was to rent the units. I think we could have probably gotten similar rents with doing a little less work. But the property turned out very nice and we are happy with the updated/upgraded systems of the house and should have limited capital expenditures upcoming for a significant amount of time.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Yes, the listing agent represented both sides on the purchase. A hard money lender on purchase, who is very easy to work with and I would highly recommend. And a mortgage lender, referral from the HML that did the purchase loan helped me on the refinance. The refi took a bit longer than expected which cost me money in holding costs, but he was a good guy and easy to work with as well.

Post: CA new investor Buying out of State - Buy and Hold

Drew ChancePosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 20

Hey Everyone!

I am a San Diego based real estate investor that has been fixing and flipping houses for quite a while. I am very interested in buying rental properties. San Diego as a buy and hold market is 1) too expensive for me really to get going. 2) The numbers just don't make sense (from a cash flow perspective). I have started to educate myself on purchasing rental properties and am going to be looking out of CA to purchase my first long term rental property. 

MY QUESTION: What is the best way to go about identifying a market to begin investing that is away from my home base? I understand surrounding myself with an excellent team of realtors, property managers, contractors is going to be key to my success. But even before that, how do I identify what a good market is for buying a solid investment? 

I have identified Texas as a state that I like for a couple of reasons: 1) It is a Landlord friendly state 2) No state income tax (does this effect me as an out of state investor?) I do know that people have a little more of their income to keep and will probably use that not their primary residence to some extent. 3) Price point seems attractive to me vs CA prices and mortgage/expenses will be manageable if I have to make payments during vacancy periods. 4) Growing population and strong job markets.

Am I on the right track with identifying where I am going to start building out my team of professional (PM, Realtors, Lenders, etc.)?

I have started with a simple google search of Best rental markets in the US. But it seems like a lot of people are throwing stuff up on that search. So how would you sift through?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ingowinzer/2016/07/29...

https://blogs-images.forbes.com/ingowinzer/files/2...

Thanks in advance for your insights!