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All Forum Posts by: Doug Utberg

Doug Utberg has started 5 posts and replied 34 times.

Post: Investing Through RealtyShares?

Doug UtbergPosted
  • Specialist
  • Newberg, OR
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 174

Has anybody invested through RealtyShares?

What was your experience like?  

Were the communication and payments timely or problematic?

Post: Short Term Rentals (like Airbnb) have been BANNED!

Doug UtbergPosted
  • Specialist
  • Newberg, OR
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 174

@James Wise and @Paul Weller - One way that I think the metaphor crosses over is in the space of banning vs. taxing.

When marijuana was banned, a broad and uncontrollable underground operation emerged to skirt around the laws.  Further, the criminals were indirectly rewarded by the restrictions through the limitation of competition, which kept prices up.

Conversely, when states (Like OR where I reside) decided to legalize marijuana (which was initially against) it converted illicit activity into taxable commerce.

I don't think that it's feasible to "stop" short-term rentals.  Operators will find ways around the rules faster than the regulations can adapt.  

Whether you consider that action to be criminal misconduct or bold innovation is an academic and ultimately irrelevant distinction. It is certain to happen wherever STR's are banned.

Post: Who's data do you trust more Zillow or Trulia

Doug UtbergPosted
  • Specialist
  • Newberg, OR
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 174

That's interesting since Zillow bought Trulia in 2015.

However, Trulia claims 65m unlisted home estimates and Zillow claims 110m.

Both algorithms are supposedly based on physical characteristics, location, and recent sales.

Zillow also correlates its Zestimate forecasts in with the ZHVI forecast for the ZIP / County / State.

My best guess is that Zillow's numbers are more swayed by the general area and Trulia's are more based on the property itself.

Post: 1st property, Should I hire Management Company or self manage?

Doug UtbergPosted
  • Specialist
  • Newberg, OR
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 174

The way I think about it is the value of your time vs. the value of learning.

  • Hiring a property management company (theoretically) saves you time.
  • Self-managing facilitates learning and (hopefully) automating your processes.

I don't think that one is necessarily more valuable than the other - it's more a question of what's most valuable to you.

Post: Shower doors or shower curtain

Doug UtbergPosted
  • Specialist
  • Newberg, OR
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 174

Another consideration - You can always start with a curtain, then install a shower door down the road if you receive negative feedback from guests.

I like to think of decisions as a 'one-way door' or 'two-way door' - A 'two-way door' is a decision I can reverse for low to no cost.  

Generally speaking, I am in favor of two-way door decisions and have learned to think very carefully about one-way doors.

Post: Tenant Placement for Owners

Doug UtbergPosted
  • Specialist
  • Newberg, OR
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 174
Originally posted by @Nathan Gesner:

As a Property Manager, I provide a limited service that I refer to as "Tenant Locator." I charge a flat fee to market the property, screen applications, get the tenant under contract, and collect the first/last/deposit. Then I hand everything over to the Landlord and walk away. This is not "management" because I'm not managing the property.

 Appending onto Nathan's thoughts - It's ultimately about what you negotiate with the partner on the ground.

Some management companies (Such as Nathan's) are very helpful to people looking to self-manage.  Others will try to shoe-horn you into a long-term management agreement.

For better or worse, real estate is fragmented.  This means that there is not always an easy way to find competent people to work with besides making phone calls and screening out the lemons.

Post: Drawbacks to classifying a loan as a 2nd home vs invest. property

Doug UtbergPosted
  • Specialist
  • Newberg, OR
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 174

You're asking the right kind of questions.

My understanding of the Tax Reform act is that the interest deduction limitation is $750k for a first + second home.

With that said, it may be advantageous to purchase the property as a second home, then place it in service as an investment to capture the advantage of a lower rate and deductibility.

The catch is that you'll have to keep the property in your name vs. holding title in the name of an entity.

Post: Tenant rights when landlord want to sell ?

Doug UtbergPosted
  • Specialist
  • Newberg, OR
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 174
Originally posted by @Sepid Pooy:

How can I enforce ? Should I withhold the rent ? Threaten to sue ? Don't let them to get in the house for showing ? 

That is my question... what is my legal rights to enforce ? 

 Officially, enforcement comes via legal suit.  

Most likely that the landlord won't want to incur the expense of legal action and will become reasonable.

Withholding rent probably isn't a good idea, because it places you in a breach of contract.

Generally speaking - as the tenant, you have the right to occupy the property throughout the term of your lease, regardless of who owns the property.

Post: Numbers look good but the layout is terrible, What to do?

Doug UtbergPosted
  • Specialist
  • Newberg, OR
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 174

In my experience, bad layouts are easy enough to rent, but really hard to sell.

If you're ok with holding it as an income property that you never sell for anything close to other properties of the same square footage, it's probably ok.

Originally posted by @James Wise:
Originally posted by @Doug Utberg:

Well - Zoning is another example of government police power, so there is an intrinsic consistency.

To me, the more relevant question is how far government police power should extend?

 Million dollar question right there. Generally speaking I am for less regulation & government control in most all situations. However I do not think keeping residential communities residential & having designated space for commercial businesses is a government overreach. Do you? Would you be ok with Holiday Inn buying your neighborhoods house & tearing it down to build a hotel?

I understand your point, but I'm not on board with the logical leap that AirBnB = Building a Holiday Inn.

Planning commissions do zoning to contain commercial activity, but it is often used by entities with vested interests to create barriers to entry and restrict competition.

Further - Taking actions like banning AirBnB only creates a black market - similar to what's happening with STR's in New York.

I'm not trying to make the point that there should be no zoning ... only to say that there are more factors at play than most people recognize.