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All Forum Posts by: Doug Price

Doug Price has started 9 posts and replied 26 times.

Post: RVM Lead Machine- Thoughts?

Doug PricePosted
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 44

@Shawn Macedo I left the VM script that is recommended and used by Shawn and his team. To be completely transparent, since my original post I have had two additional leads come in. Both had their property listed on the MLS at or above retail. That puts the tally at 3 leads (all listed on the MLS at retail) out of 13,988 properties. I have been following up on these leads and two of them have sold on the MLS since making contact with the seller. The other is still listed but according to the seller they were considering an offer.

Post: RVM Lead Machine- Thoughts?

Doug PricePosted
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 44

@Johnathan Mark I pulled absentee, tax delinquent, and high equity first. Then I pulled the additional "blanket" list Sean recommends in his RVM training videos. The numbers I included are the combined results of those lists. I can't more targeted. 


The real issue with the RVM method is getting accurate numbers. The VAST majority of people that left messages or replied via text told me I had the wrong number. Couple that with the fact I lost almost 70% of my leads on my list because no number could even be found (13,988 total list; only 4,708 numbers returned).

Post: RVM Lead Machine- Thoughts?

Doug PricePosted
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 44

In addition to the above that I mentioned regarding the numbers, I have been communicating my results with Sean's team. They just informed me it takes an average of 700 vm drops to get a single lead. Not deal. Lead. 

I don't recall that ratio being mentioned in their promo video.

Post: RVM Lead Machine- Thoughts?

Doug PricePosted
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 44

Well, I bought into the hype. Guess I'm a sucker. Here it is by the numbers...

13,988 leads loaded into Datazapp; from that 4,708 phone numbers generated; of those 1,858 vm's were left with the Lead Machine; from those 205 people called back; not counting the angry vm's and "stop calling me texts", I received 1 vm lead, and they had their house listed for full retail on the MLS.

This little experiment put me out about $1500 for the annual membership and all the peripheral purchases for Datazapp and the RVM calls.

I promise $1500 of direct mail will land me a minimum of two deals. I'd recommend the same route for anyone else.

Post: Wholesale Marketing Tactics

Doug PricePosted
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 44

@Jack LaGuerre Thanks for the questions. Hope I can help you out here. I've found yellowletterscomplete.com and I have used their basic buyer yellow letter template with no changes. They have handled all the printing, hand addressing and mailing. It's a premium at $1.19 a letter but it has worked well. The envelops are beige and actually hand addressed by a human. Only the letter is in handwritten font. I have recently switched to postcards to give them a shot since I can get more bang for the buck. Jury is still out on those.

Post: New to wholesaling, where to start?

Doug PricePosted
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 44

Andrew,

I'm fairly new to the game, but I am learning a lot by trial and error. At this point I am marketing lightly and seeing a lot of traction from the marketing I have completed. Here is what I would recommend on getting started:

1. Start. Start something. Start anything. I studied for over a year before I put the wheels into motion. Way to long. I had head knowledge but no action. It was killing me with overthinking everything.

2. D4D was where I started...waste of time for me. Every response I got from homeowners (mailed them a letter) were situations that had big problems. They owed more taxes/penalties against the property than it was worth. Or they had judgments that far outweighed the value of the property. I spent a LOT of time chasing a couple of these to no avail. What it did provide me was a better understanding of my area and it also netted a couple of cash buyers (I called the for-rent signs I stumbled onto).

3. I also spent a lot of time getting my cash buyers list together. I set up an IFTTT on craigslist to send me the rentals posted in my area. As Tom Krol on "Wholesaling, Inc" podcast recommends I subtracted more key words than I searched for. Then I send this very simple mass email through GMass to every landlord; "Would you be interested in selling this property? Please let me know. You can also reach me at ###-####, call or text." I get about 60% response with this email. If they reply, "make me an offer" it is an investor and I reply with what I am doing as a wholesaler offering to work for them to find properties for their portfolio. If they reply with a call or text, they are a potential seller. This has been big in building my buyer list. You can also call the "cash" buyer bandit signs in your area. Tell other wholesalers who you are and what you're doing. You may stumble onto a person who will willingly help you get started. Some however you will learn to be keep at arm’s length. Unfortunately, I have discovered a lot of sharks in the water in the wholesale aquarium. You should be able to figure out which is which with a quick phone conversation.

4. Now that you have buyers calling you find out what they specifically buy and where. Ranch, 3/1, north side, <$70k, <$15k in repairs, 4 units a month, etc.

5. Get your offer spreadsheet put together. Determine what you need to get properties under contract for your buyer to bite. Every market is specific and every buyer is even more specific. You will need to build this based those two criteria. Once you have this spreadsheet in place you should be able to plug in the property numbers and generate a fast offer within minutes.

6. Get your contract in place. Either pull a contract from a place like uslegalforms specific for your state and/or talk to a local real estate attorney. I skipped this step and I regret it. I am know working priority one to get this fixed. It is highly unlikely a single page contract can be legal (like the ones almost every guru promotes) given the vast amount of required information in a real estate transaction.

7. Go shopping for what your buyers want. Agentpro247 is an inexpensive (~$20 a month for up to 2000 leads) online list source that I use. Build your list and try out yellowletterscomplete for your mailers. ONLY send first class mail! Standard letters get tossed in the trash. We'll call that, trial and error on my part.

8. Pick up the phone when it rings, but also set up a voice mail that requires the caller to leave their name, property address, and phone number. Sometimes you can gauge a seller’s level of motivation by what they say, or don't say, in their message. And for crying out loud, call every number back regardless of a message left, or not. I closed a $6k deal from a guy who left no voice mail.

9. FOLLOW UP. My second deal was a lady I had written off. She wanted way too much for her property. But I called her back a few weeks later. She dropped her price on the phone from $80k to $65k. My offer had been $58k so I knew she was motivated now. But I wouldn't have known if I didn't call her back. I ended up making $5k on that deal. I use pipedrive for my cheap CRM fix. That will probably change in the near future as it is very limited.

10. Get the house under contract with your contingencies in place. I ask for a 7-day inspection time frame. This allows me to get my buyers in the house and/or renegotiate the price if needed. Or back out if the inspection is negative.

11. Get the contract assigned. Hold the seller's hand and keep the buyer informed through the process of closing. Seller's will want to know everything. Buyer's most likely have done this many times before and just want to be kept in the loop. Also, ask your buyers what title agency they use for their deals or which ones are wholesaler "friendly". I promise you buyers will know. The right title agency will save you big headaches!

12. Read the book Profit First. You're going to need to because you just got your first payday of many more to come Enjoy!

Hope this helps you get started,

Doug

Post: Order of Typical Wholesale Transaction

Doug PricePosted
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 44

Thanks for the feedback @Patti Robertson

I think my overall point was made more clearly by @John Thedford

I have no example of anyone landing in court. I only said this "could" land you in court based on my understanding of what John substantiates. I've never heard of a contingency based on "if you don't sell it within your... time frame". As far as marketing, I understand you can market your position, not the property.

Post: Order of Typical Wholesale Transaction

Doug PricePosted
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 44

Thanks @Laura Alamery I appreciate the feedback. I like your thinking on the order of things.

A word of caution on the practice of marketing the property. Unless you are an agent it is highly likely this is not allowed. To market you either need to be the seller (owner) or licensed agent. 

As for the contingency portion of the contract I'd check with a local real estate attorney on this. I know in Virginia that if you enter into contract, a contingency based on explicitly selling the contract could land you in court real fast. 

Post: Order of Typical Wholesale Transaction

Doug PricePosted
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 44

To this point I have followed this typical pattern of getting my deals closed once I have a seller:

1. Make a verbal offer.

2. Evaluate the home.

3. Write the contract.

4. Renegotiate the price if needed based on potential assignee inspection findings.

... to assignment/closing we go.

But I have started to think that the better method may be to: 

1. Email or mail a contract as the offer.

2. Evaluate/inspect the property after having the contract. 

3. If needed, renegotiate terms/price based on inspection findings that the potential assignee provides.

... to assignment/closing we will go.

What say you biggerpockets world? Is there a prefered order in wholesaling?

Post: Wholesale Marketing Tactics

Doug PricePosted
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 44

Thanks @RaShae Bey. I PM'd you to connect.