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All Forum Posts by: Douglas Vogel

Douglas Vogel has started 19 posts and replied 101 times.

Post: 10% Cash on Cash ROI with Great Prop Manager in Place!

Douglas VogelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Washington
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 31

A great cash flowing property in Topeka KS. Has rented anywhere between $650 (lowest) and $750. Average rent is $675. Currently undergoing cleaning from previous tenant. Get your own qualified tenant in today. Comes with one of the best property managers I have ever worked with. Property is a great addition to anyones portfolio. Looking for all cash offers.

Post: From Flop To Success

Douglas VogelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Washington
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 31
@Linda Carretero I didn’t think about or even know that was a possibility. I stumbled across it and wanted to see if it would be a viable game plan for my rental. So far it’s only been successful in Chicago so far. The company I’m using only handles chicago and I haven’t found anything other companies yet.

Post: From Flop To Success

Douglas VogelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Washington
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 31
@Mark Ainley our pleasure! We aren’t sure yet. We are looking at breaking even with all the loans we accrued on the property for floating it for a year. We estimate we need to sell it for about $280k to break even with closing costs etc. I’d say we will likely hold onto it for 3-5 years get some good cash flow out of it pay down some debt so we see some profit at the sale. Where are your properties? Do you work directly with insurance companies? The placement company I’m working with is the only one I’ve found that offers this service for their insurees.

Post: From Flop To Success

Douglas VogelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Washington
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 31

Hey Guys,

I wanted to post a win here and see what other people thought. 

A couple years ago I had bought a property in the Chicago area. It was meant to be a flip and connected myself with a broker. We ended up purchasing a property at $145,000 with a $45,000 rehab budget. The ARV was expected to be about $250,000. We felt fairly comfortable since the broker was doing flips himself in the same neighborhood we were in.

Long story short, the rehab went $3,000 over budget which didn't seem to be a big deal. We used a hard money lender and credit card builders in order to float the rehab costs. The lender financed the purchase price and then gave out distributions for completion of the project in a 4 phase approach. We used the credit cards to pay the contractor up front and then reimbursed ourselves with the distributions. 

The last distribution we received, but the rehab was done and was expecting 45-60 days on the market before we received an offer, so we kept the cash from the distribution, kept $13k in credit cards since they would be paid off at closing. To our dismay, a year went by and we lowered the price from $250k down to $225k which would be breaking even. We have over 30 showings and no offers. So we decided to rent the property. 

This was very scary for us, since our hard money loan was coming due and if we weren't able to refinance we wouldn't be able to sell the property with a renter inside. So a lot of networking happened, and in the end we refinanced the hard money loan but held on to the credit card debt.

The success comes after. We learned of a placement company for insurance companies that need housing for people displaced due to flooding, fires etc. Their leases are normally 6 months, with a first right to go month to month for a total of 1 year. The great thing about it is, since it is short term rental, and furniture is provided by the placement company, we are getting approximately $800-$1000 more per month than we would on the open market. We are receiving $2700/month with a mortgage of approximately $1700/month. It hasn't come without its challenges and repairs from a lot of turn over in the house but we have been doing this for 18 months and has worked out wonderfully. 

This project has slowed our growth since we do have some debt and didn't get the lump sum of cash we were expecting to get from selling it, but through hard work and determination we were able to find a solution that still put cash in our pocket and salvaged the equity we have in the property.

I write this not to brag, but our investment career has been somewhat of a challenge while my business parter / brother and I are both in the military and work on average 10-12 hours per day. I hope this can be an inspiration to other people to keep pressing and solve the problems in order to add value to whatever you are doing. You will be rewarded in the end!

Cheers!

-Doug

Post: Any El Paso, Texas Multi-Family investors

Douglas VogelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Washington
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 31

@Nathaniel Hopkins Let me know if you ever want to talk about the El Paso market. I always enjoy talking about real estate even though my schedule can be crazy! 

Cheers!

Doug

Post: Any El Paso, Texas Multi-Family investors

Douglas VogelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Washington
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 31
@Jacob Firnekas Sent you a PM.

Post: Any El Paso, Texas Multi-Family investors

Douglas VogelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Washington
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 31

@Nathaniel Hopkins Thats great! My brother and business partner was stationed there for a few years. How are your single family homes working out so far? We are always searching for deals! How do you like El Paso? Are you managing the properties yourself or do you have a property manager?

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal-Multi-Family El Paso

Douglas VogelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Washington
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 31

Is your gross income what rent is now or is it what you project it would be after raising rents $150? I am always looking for MF deals and am fairly versed in the El Paso market. Have you closed this deal? I am a little late to the game but interested in going over the numbers if you'd like. Quick glance not knowing exactly where this is...cap rate is pretty low for that type of property. Hope to hear from you!

-Doug

Post: Any El Paso, Texas Multi-Family investors

Douglas VogelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Washington
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 31

Hello Everyone,

My partner and brother are growing our portfolio in the El Paso area. We are looking for MF deals with upside/value add. I would love to jump on a phone call with anyone interested in talking RE. I am out of state (in the navy) but looking to find a few partners and MF realtors (it has been a challenge). I have a good property manager that I found during my visit to the city but always trying to find like minded people. Hope to talk with you all very soon! -Doug

Post: Buying An Occupied Multi-Family

Douglas VogelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Washington
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 31
@Fatima Champagne It all depends on your goal and timeline. I’d say a few things to watch out for would be current tenants and their payment history. It’s very hard to get a tenant out unless they just stop paying or the lease is up. Are the rents at fair market for the area? i would ask for a copy of rental history credit etc on current tenants and a copy of their leases ans maybe have them sign an addendum saying what their current rent is if your offer is accepted. With your rehab, I’d say don’t buy something that needs a total gut. I’d start out with a cosmetic rehab or replacing light fixtures etc to upgrade the curb appeal and offer great service. Make the place look nice and keep the tenants happy. Know that 4 units is still considered residential so your force appreciation is going to be more dependent on the market than on the income the property is making. Lastly if tenants are paying on time and rents are close to what the market would bear, rehab one unit as it goes vacant and then get a better quality / higher paying tenant after the rehab. Do this with all of the units that way you don’t have to pay for 4 unit rehabs up front and you don’t have high vacancies that aren’t required.