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All Forum Posts by: Doug Kirk

Doug Kirk has started 3 posts and replied 21 times.

Post: Best Strategy for Starting Out in Real Estate

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Quote from @Jonathan Chan:
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Quote from @Jonathan Chan:
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Newbie in the North Central Ohio area (Lucky me) who hopes to have about somewhere around 6 digits near the new year to start out with and cannot decide which way to go.  I make good money and am single. Goal is to try for 8-10 Properties and try to leave my W-2 in 3-5 years.  I can't decide whether to be aggressive on buying and paying down one or spread on a couple and pay down slower.  I want to limit my risk as not knowing where the economy may be going.


 Have you looked into becoming a lender? I honestly wish I had done that before accumulating 30 doors.

Not really.  I may look at that option down the road.  But for now, just want to get good at the one strategy first.  

Thanks

Of course. Feel free to reach out if you ever have any questions about lending. Happy to share experience along with do's and don'ts to make sure your money is protected.


 Sounds great.  Will do.

Post: Best Strategy for Starting Out in Real Estate

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Quote from @Jonathan Chan:
Quote from @Doug Kirk:

Newbie in the North Central Ohio area (Lucky me) who hopes to have about somewhere around 6 digits near the new year to start out with and cannot decide which way to go.  I make good money and am single. Goal is to try for 8-10 Properties and try to leave my W-2 in 3-5 years.  I can't decide whether to be aggressive on buying and paying down one or spread on a couple and pay down slower.  I want to limit my risk as not knowing where the economy may be going.


 Have you looked into becoming a lender? I honestly wish I had done that before accumulating 30 doors.

Not really.  I may look at that option down the road.  But for now, just want to get good at the one strategy first.  

Thanks

Post: Liens on a property and determining position

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Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:

@Doug Kirk, a few thoughts:

1. What kind of auction? This matters as different auctions are prone to different title issues.

For example, in my state PA there is an inheritance tax and many TAX auction properties originate from people passing away and the heir(s) not taking control over the estate and paying those property taxes. However, that inheritance tax is still owed and is a lien on the property even though IT IS NOT RECORDED ANYWHERE!!!

2. MANY things can affect the title to a property, not only issues that are specifically recorded as a public record like a mortgage. There was one example in #1. Another example is that with a tax auction it is common for all the interested parties to not be notified 100% correctly meaning they could in theory come back later and try to reverse the sale and take the property back!

3. Some kinds of auctions allow you similar protections as a traditional sale. Many times a lender buys a property back at a sheriff's sale/auction where they are selling properties as part of a foreclosure.

After that, the lender may use a private auctioneer to auction off the property and try to recoup as much money as possible. With a private auction of an already foreclosed property, you will usually be allowed as part of the closing to have a title search done and to buy title insurance. So, this type of auction usually offers similar protections in the process as a conventional sale.

4. Some kinds of auctions are "misleading". Again with tax auctions, some kinds of tax auctions are referred to as a "free & clear" sale. In my state that is a common name for a judicial tax auction where MOST liens are wiped away as part of the sale. I say MOST because not ALL are wiped away. State and federal government liens like inheritance tax and IRS tax liens are NOT wiped away. So, don't be fooled by the common name for some of these auctions.

5. If you are just starting out, tax and foreclosure auctions are probably not the way to go for most people. There is more messiness and risk. They are not well suited for a novice.

You may see auction results that look appealing, but you don't consider things like

a. Sometimes the closing costs from the auction are HIGHER than expected. In my area, they charge transfer tax on the assessed value rather than the LOW sale price. Normally that tax is split between buyer and seller but since its an auction the buyer pays it ALL.

b. With most auctions the buyer cannot get into the property and evaluate its condition. So, that adds to the risk more-so for a novice who doesn't know how to factor in that risk.

c. Even with a completed sale often times you might need/want to pay a lawyer to do a quiet title action to quell any possibly attempts to reverse the sale by an interested party. That costs money as well. 


 Thanks Kevin,

I appreciate the depth of information you have provided.  This is very helpful.

I agree and am aware that there is increased risk to an auction property. I have looked at both probate and sheriff's auctions. I have read a few books on foreclosure auctions. They discussed pre-foreclosure, auction, and REO properties and points to consider on each. I am currently simply educating myself on such options. I was aware of not being able to tour prior to most foreclosure auctions. This was the reason for my question. I want to be able to learn how to do my due diligence on these properties. Once I get a few stable long term rentals maybe consider looking into such properties and cover aspects I am able to confirm. I am simply educating to keep my options open on my journey.


Thanks again for your info.

Post: Liens on a property and determining position

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I have seen a few auctions on properties that have seemed to be something worth looking into but I am still learning how to locate all liens on a property or the position of those liens.   What do people use to do so, especially anyone on Central Ohio?  I have tried local governments sites with little luck.  I have also read a few auction foreclosure books as well.  Are there some of the data aggregation sites such at Deal Machine or Prop Stream that have this? I know there is risk to you never know what you are going to get. Just looking to know in the few cases I was considering bidding.  

Post: Best Strategy for Starting Out in Real Estate

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Quote from @Debbie Fales:

Have you considered a fix and rent approach? You could rehab a distressed property using a fix-and-flip loan and then refinance the loan into a long-term DSCR once the repairs are finished. That way you could unlock the equity quickly and deploy it on your next project. Rinse and repeat.

Good luck on your journey! 


 I missed you are a lender in my first post.  I would love to hear your ideas.

Post: Best Strategy for Starting Out in Real Estate

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Quote from @Debbie Fales:

Have you considered a fix and rent approach? You could rehab a distressed property using a fix-and-flip loan and then refinance the loan into a long-term DSCR once the repairs are finished. That way you could unlock the equity quickly and deploy it on your next project. Rinse and repeat.

Good luck on your journey! 

I have looked into buying distressed properties, fixing them, and then renting them and will given the right opportunity.  But as I stated, I want to aggressively pay down the loan so not looking to cash out ReFi or DSCR and just concentrate on clearing it.  Using this, although slow at first, will build momentum on the back end to move quickly once the momentum builds, or at least as long as I keep the rails on the tracks.  I am blessed with a good W-2 that will allow to assist with this as well.  Of course I will talk to lenders and others with advice that can point out better options.  But that is the current plan.

Thanks and good luck to you as well.

Post: Best Strategy for Starting Out in Real Estate

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Doug, I was in this situation 6 months ago. It depends on how actively or passively you would like to build your portfolio. I work a 9-5, am married, and have 2 kids under 3 years old so I don't have a ton of extra time to actively find, fix, and flip properties. I live in Denver, CO but I have found a great group in Kansas City that provides great single-family home properties that are newly renovated and turn-key for long-term rentals (I'd be happy to connect you). My rental already had a tenant in it by the time I took over ownership, and most of their properties have tenants in place from day 1. This is great because it cashflows starting day 1. All this to say starting is the biggest, hardest, most important step. Start with 1 property and scale as your time and finances allow it. My first property will provide me with monthly cash, appreciation of the home value, and depreciation on my taxes which will help me get to my second property much faster. Now that I've gone through all of the steps to get through my process, I'm that much more knowledgeable and confident going into my 2nd deal which I'm already working on. 

Good luck and hope this helps!


 Appreciate it and will do.

Post: Best Strategy for Starting Out in Real Estate

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Quote from @Doug Kirk:

Newbie in the North Central Ohio area (Lucky me) who hopes to have about somewhere around 6 digits near the new year to start out with and cannot decide which way to go.  I make good money and am single. Goal is to try for 8-10 Properties and try to leave my W-2 in 3-5 years.  I can't decide whether to be aggressive on buying and paying down one or spread on a couple and pay down slower.  I want to limit my risk as not knowing where the economy may be going.


I'm in a similar boat, also 50 with good paying W-2 looking to build a portfolio to help replace that sooner than later. Appreciating everyone's advice and wish you the best moving forward Doug!


 Thanks Karina.  I wish you the best as well.  Feel free to send a connection if you want to bounce ideas on the journey.

Post: Best Strategy for Starting Out in Real Estate

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Thanks for the advice.

Post: Best Strategy for Starting Out in Real Estate

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Quote from @Austin Steed:
Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Doug Kirk

start with a house hack that needs a little bit of work.  fix it up. then repeat.

 Agree with @Nicholas L. here. It's hard to beat a good house hack. Being single is good too, often having a family makes this a little tougher! 


 Thanks.  Again, no mortgage, I like my place and a decent sum to saved to start.  While many have used it well, house hack not for me.