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All Forum Posts by: Donald Leske

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Post: Buying a property management company

Donald LeskePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Tacoma, WA
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 8

I got an offer for my 490 doors, just the assets, for $1.1m. That can equal about $200k per 100 doors. My fees and contracts are downloadable from my site and we have been BBB A+ rated for years. It pays to be clean and clear of debt.

Post: Property Management - Repair Mark-ups?

Donald LeskePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Tacoma, WA
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 8

by Michael Stone

Markup is a general term that applies to the overhead and profit that any business needs to realize if the business wants to stay in business. It is the amount a business charges above their direct cost.

If your contractor has a 1.50 markup (which is reasonable for a remodeling contractor), that means that if the estimated cost for a job is $10,000, they'll multiply the $10,000 x 1.50 and arrive at a $15,000 sales price.

Now many people who know little about business and even less about the costs of running a business will say, "Oh, look at that crook. He is making $5,000 profit on my job." Nope, not true.

Your contractor gets $5,000 to pay their overhead expenses (which includes salary) and make a reasonable profit. I just heard those same people say, "But wait, contractors don't have any overhead!"

Guess again. They have overhead. Advertising, sales commission, job supervision (which isn't usually a job cost), office expenses (even if they work out of their home), insurance, accounting and legal fees, licenses, taxes, employee expenses, and their own salary are just a few of their overhead expenses. The typical remodeling contractor will have overhead expenses ranging from 25% to 54% of their revenue – that means every $15,000 job could have overhead expenses of $3,750 to $8,100.

Somewhere along the line, people started believing that a 10% overhead and 10% profit is the industry standard for construction jobs. Or that a 20% markup is all a contractor needs. Armed with that knowledge, owners try to get their contractor to reduce the price of the job they want done.

If you think it through, it's not a smart move. Would you ask your surgeon to reduce his price before doing open heart surgery? Would you ask your auto repair shop to reduce their price before rebuilding the engine on your car? Do you really want them to go cheap? For most homeowners, your home is your largest single investment. Why do you want to use a cut rate contractor to improve or repair your major investment?

Every business must make a profit or it will go away. It must price the work or services to include the cost of its goods or services as well as cover its overhead expenses and make a reasonable profit. It needs a reasonable profit to build and maintain the business, keeping it viable during the down times. Profit is what insures a business's longevity – if it doesn't make a profit, it might not be in business in six months. If it can't cover overhead expenses and make a reasonable profit, it might not even be in business long enough to finish your project.

The National Association of Home Builders published a report a few years ago that stated that their "best" remodeling contractors averaged something under 4% net profit. I can tell you that in my experience, too many contractors make no profit at all. That's why so many construction-related businesses fail.

So, if you're focused on finding the cheapest contractor to do your job, you have a very good chance of selecting a contractor who will go out of business while trying to build your job.

There's an old saying, "A fool and their money are soon parted." Any owner who selects a contractor based on their price has no one but themselves to blame when things go sideways. Markup isn't profit, it is the money needed to make sure the contractor can complete your job, pay his bills and if he's doing things right, make a profit on the job as well. Just like your doctor, your mechanic, your grocer and every other business.

Post: Reasonable Property Management Fee Structure?

Donald LeskePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Tacoma, WA
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 8

...sorry about that last post. It was in a chart format and looked good, but did not turn out as expected and I see no way to edit. 

Post: Reasonable Property Management Fee Structure?

Donald LeskePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Tacoma, WA
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 8

Hello,

David and Michelle are correct. I have been dealing with rentals for over 30 years and have just about seen it all. I have also had a 400% increase in my company size in the past 7 years with the economy making it hard to sell homes, but we do sell as well as needed. 

The people who read these posts all have their own idea of what pricing should be, based solely on their own ideas of what they think is fair or right of course. An investor or home owner for instance who would like to get a property manager to work for 8% or less..., and have no other fees at all.., is simply ignorant about the value of having great service. They may say that "oh, all the property manager has to do is put a tenant in the rental and collect the rent." They will learn in time that there are more in's and out's, twists and turns in good property management than Lombard street in San Francisco. This is a tough job for sure if anyone has been in the trade over 5 years and especially if a manager has hundreds of units to manage. Each unit takes time to watch over and a landlord must deal with any kind of issue or problem that may pop up, from initial basic leasing documents to evictions, the ongoing maintenance needs, full accounting with rent-rolls and W-9 tracking plus making an online portal to be available for each owner to be able to see what is going on with their property 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. The tenant also gets their own online portal where they can electronically pay their rent or put in a Maintenance request from their PC or their Smart Phone. Owners want to know what is going on with their properties, and we have found over the years that they need feedback every week when the property is vacant and a full report with photos every six months (180 days).               

   Many times there are hidden fees that nobody knows about and the public suffers when they are hit by such fees, often being unaware totally that they would have to pay some kind of contrived fee which was not disclosed openly up front before they signed up. 

1. Set-up fee NO FEE! Many companies charge a setup fee. We do not.
2. Management Fee*, … $75 minimum monthly.



4-9 Rental Units…

10-30 rentals………

30 + rental units/doors….

8% 9% yr 2
10% yr 3
11% yr 4

7%
6%
5% 

If we do not collect the rent, you do not pay a fee.
These fees are for services outlined in this contract. This low first year introduction fee at a low 8% will increase to 9% on year two, then 10% for year three and stop at 11% for year four as a cap or maximum. Our master plan is to prove our superior services are worth the fee that owners pay. After 30 years of service, we feel that our fees are fair and allow us to do the absolute best job for our rental owners.
3.Lease up Fee 75%1st month only. 1st month for new rental contracts only - not Renewals. Helps offset Advertising & overhead costs, as Thousands of dollars a month are spent for overhead & paying Realtors an MLS Fee to bring us a tenant. Applies to first full month of rent, in case of a pro-rated month. If pro-rated, fee shall apply to part of 2nd mo.
4. Emergency Trust Fund *This is owners money, held in a Trust Account. $200Minimum These funds are for Emergency Maintenance needs, and can be used to pay day-to-day operating expenses if needed for an owners benefit. A reserve of $400-$500 is normal for single family properties. Multi-family units are negotiable.
5. Lease Renewal NO FEE! For existing tenants who want to stay, NO FEE to owners.
6. Vacant Property Maintenance Fee. NO FEE! We do not charge a fee to manage a vacant property. Option: if owner wishes us to cut the grass as needed and keep the place clean while vacant, then there is a basic $100 minimum monthly fee while vacant, contingent on review of needs and owner approval.
7. Notices and Legal Docs. NO FEE! These are Attorney & Legal Notice Fees. If a tenant does not pay these Fees, then owner must pay. In time these are sent to a Collection Agency, to recoup owner’s money.
8. NSF fees, late notice & miscellaneous fees. NO FEE! These are fees which BCI has charged to tenants. Owners must pay these fees only if tenants do not pay as expected, but owners never pay late fees, these are charged to tenants.
9. Annual Administration $75 A year end fee is assessed to help cover costs of the preparation of annual year-end statements, rent-rolls, 1099 Federal Tax form and annual review of entire account.
10. Property Inspections
*May be done by a 3rd party, at no added cost to owners!

NO FEE!
We schedule a photo inspection with written report at 180 days post occupancy, plus drive-by inspections during the year which can trigger a spot Inspection. FREE SERVICE!
11. Eviction Costs
*We attempt to negotiate with tenants first to get them out and save owners money.
Costs: Fees for the eviction process can cost from $200-$900 as an estimated average with court costs, Attorney Fees and management fees. Owners must pay $500 deposit at the time of Eviction inception, with refund later if and when collected from tenant..
12. Cancellation Fee NO FEE! *EXCEPTION: See section below for details.
13. Unpaid Invoice fee NO FEE! For unpaid owner invoices that are past due. Money owed by owner which has gone unpaid to BCI, such as maintenance costs.

14. Bill payment fee
NO FEE! Regarding payment of mortgage, insurance, HOA dues, etc. We do not charge a separate fee as some do; many others don't even provide this service. Hard costs are passed on to owner.
15. Repair & 
Maintenance  
NO FEE! When repairs or maintenance is needed, BCI is “hands on” with supervision of the task needed. Owners do not pay BCI a fee, but do pay retail costs. See Section above.

So it is then that whenever I find a company who does not disclose their fee structure openly on their website I get a very uneasy feeling, wouldn’t you feel the same if you were an owner of rental properties?