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All Forum Posts by: Dina Schmid

Dina Schmid has started 7 posts and replied 69 times.

Quote from @David Krulac:

@Dina Schmid  We has a situation where the seller of the property was an estate and listed the property as being 8 acres.  Early in my career, and being a city boy, it still didn't seem right to me.  We wrote the contract on a "per acre" price assuming 8 acres contingent upon a survey.  To fulfill the contract the Seller needed to pay for the survey, which resulted in a size of 1.8 acres.  I don't think the estate was being decietful, but their dearly departed originally di have 8 acres but sold off parts along the way resulting in a net of 1.8 acres.  Also assessment never picked up those multiple sales and the parcel was being taxed at 8 acres.  After purchase the assessment office was given the survey and quickly reduced the acreage for taxation to 1.8 acres also.  In another purchase we bought a property at Sheriff Sale that was listed as 1.6 acres. By doing research we discovered that 1.0 acres was sold off in the 1960s and never caught by the assesment office, so the tax bills were too high for 40 years.  I asked for a retroactive refund plus interest for the 40 years of over taxation.  They laughed. 

Thanks for the headsup to check into the taxes. I will definitely have to take a look there.
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Dina Schmid:

I'd love opinions on what, if anything, can or should be done in this situation. (aka - What Would You Do?)

It's been a very, very bumpy road to be under contract - and past the due dilligence period - on a new build we are purchasing with the intent to use it as a STR (and some personal use). Property was listed in a highly desirable zipcode in a tourist area on 1.02 acres. At showing, we were given a plat showing property was 2.11 acres. Seller/Builder was present at showing and told us the listing was wrong; it was 2.11 acres. He had listing agent change MLS listing to 2.11 acres. Two days later our offer to purchase the property + adjacent empty lot was accepted. Address is listed as Street Name, Lot #, Desirable City, State + Zip

Something about the plat seemed off to me and I discovered a calculation error and that it was actually 1.02 acres. Seller changed listing back to 1.02 acres. We asked for a new survey as we no longer trusted the lot markers we had been shown. Seller refused. Listing agent told him that he needed to put in writing that the lot markers he has in place are correct, but he hasn't done that. (We didn't want to pay for a survey and couldn't get one done during the two week DD period.)

Post-inspection negotiations really tried our patience with seller going back on his word on things and niggling over other things. For example, part of the exterior of the house wasn't stained. He's placing the money owed the painter to complete the staining in esrow since weather won't allow it to be done before closing. The amount is a fraction of what we would have to pay to hire someone. He insisted that a phrase be added that the money is to be released upon completion "and not upon approval by the seller." So he can do a crappy job and still get the funds. What little trust I had in the seller disappeared during this process.

Now, three days after finalizing all that, I get a text from my agent that they have assigned a street address. It is a different street name than we were told and in the neighboring - and less desirable - city and zip. I feel like the builder had to have known this. He's also the developer and this is the first house in Phase II of this development. Phase I of the development was in the more desirable city + Zip. He's listed this cabin on AirBnB as being in the less desirable city. I mistakenly assumed that was an error because the place didn't have an official street address yet. The Property Management website lists it as "approximate location: Street Name on contract." (They have other properties throughout the area listed as "approximate location" and not just this one, but most are listed as "location" with development name, street name or near an attraction.) 

We really like the cabin, but I feel like the value is less than what I made an offer on; I'm overpaying for 1.02 acres in a less desirable zip code. We were not the only offer received, but we were the highest. We went in with what we hoped would be the winning offer because this is the one that checked the most boxes of everything we'd seen in months and we really like it.

Am I even under contract for this property with everything in the address being wrong? As for the info being wrong - I know that filing a complaint against the listing agent for misrepresentation could be an option. We can also walk and lose EM (and the money we've put into inspections and PE consultation.) Would you do either? Any other options I should consider?

My approach is when there is that much unreliable information, I either call it a day and walk since I have no idea what comes next or I negotiate to a super deal so that whatever I haven't been told can be taken care of. 
If it was entirely up to me, I would have walked. We've heard so many untruths from the seller it's ridiculous. My husband thinks it will be worth it to stick it out. 
Quote from @Guy Gimenez:

1. Check the entire MLS print-out. Many will have a disclaimer stating that the information cannot be relied upon and buyers must confirm all information via their own due diligence.

2. Purchase contract should show the entire legal as platted. If the contract shows the correct legal description but also shows seller is conveying 2.11 acres, and that has not been amended, I think you have a reasonable argument. If you're using the builder's contract form, rest assured it will be very one-sided in the builder's favor.

3. With the potential for a small financial loss on your end, litigation would certainly not be worth the hassle and expense. If you have the legal right to terminate, it would be a better option. If you're not sure about your contractual rights and obligations, seek legal counsel. 


 Thanks for chiming in. 

Contract does state: "Nothing in this Contract shall be interpreted to permit Seller to provide false, misleading, or fraudulent information to Buyer." I know MLS listings aren't guaranteed accurate, but getting the acreage, city and zip code wrong is hard to swallow as an honest mistake.

We have a financing contingency, so if it doesn't appraise for the contract amount due to the lower acreage and different city/zip, we can renegotiate purchase price. That might be our only true recourse.

I went back over the paperwork we signed. Disclosure form lists the address as: Development Name Lot #, Desirable City, Zip of less desirable

Agency Consent and Purchase Agreement list Street Name, Lot #, Desirable City, State + Zip. Purchase agreement also says that we're purchasing 2.11 acres and does not have an adendum to change that. This is the first build in Phase 2 and adjacent lots are open. Do we have a case for being given 2.11 acres? (Not that it's likely to be worth a legal fight I would guess.)

I'd love opinions on what, if anything, can or should be done in this situation. (aka - What Would You Do?)

It's been a very, very bumpy road to be under contract - and past the due dilligence period - on a new build we are purchasing with the intent to use it as a STR (and some personal use). Property was listed in a highly desirable zipcode in a tourist area on 1.02 acres. At showing, we were given a plat showing property was 2.11 acres. Seller/Builder was present at showing and told us the listing was wrong; it was 2.11 acres. He had listing agent change MLS listing to 2.11 acres. Two days later our offer to purchase the property + adjacent empty lot was accepted. Address is listed as Street Name, Lot #, Desirable City, State + Zip

Something about the plat seemed off to me and I discovered a calculation error and that it was actually 1.02 acres. Seller changed listing back to 1.02 acres. We asked for a new survey as we no longer trusted the lot markers we had been shown. Seller refused. Listing agent told him that he needed to put in writing that the lot markers he has in place are correct, but he hasn't done that. (We didn't want to pay for a survey and couldn't get one done during the two week DD period.)

Post-inspection negotiations really tried our patience with seller going back on his word on things and niggling over other things. For example, part of the exterior of the house wasn't stained. He's placing the money owed the painter to complete the staining in esrow since weather won't allow it to be done before closing. The amount is a fraction of what we would have to pay to hire someone. He insisted that a phrase be added that the money is to be released upon completion "and not upon approval by the seller." So he can do a crappy job and still get the funds. What little trust I had in the seller disappeared during this process.

Now, three days after finalizing all that, I get a text from my agent that they have assigned a street address. It is a different street name than we were told and in the neighboring - and less desirable - city and zip. I feel like the builder had to have known this. He's also the developer and this is the first house in Phase II of this development. Phase I of the development was in the more desirable city + Zip. He's listed this cabin on AirBnB as being in the less desirable city. I mistakenly assumed that was an error because the place didn't have an official street address yet. The Property Management website lists it as "approximate location: Street Name on contract." (They have other properties throughout the area listed as "approximate location" and not just this one, but most are listed as "location" with development name, street name or near an attraction.) 

We really like the cabin, but I feel like the value is less than what I made an offer on; I'm overpaying for 1.02 acres in a less desirable zip code. We were not the only offer received, but we were the highest. We went in with what we hoped would be the winning offer because this is the one that checked the most boxes of everything we'd seen in months and we really like it.

Am I even under contract for this property with everything in the address being wrong? As for the info being wrong - I know that filing a complaint against the listing agent for misrepresentation could be an option. We can also walk and lose EM (and the money we've put into inspections and PE consultation.) Would you do either? Any other options I should consider?

I think at least one exterior photo is necessary so the guest can know that they've arrived at the right place. GPS isn't always 100% accurate and trying to open the door of the wrong house can have seriously bad consequences.

@Mike Grudzien Do you need a liquor license to do that? I recently talked to someone locally to me (Ohio) who got in trouble with the LCB for giving away a bottle of wine with his luxury rental as even that was considered selling it.

Post: Is a Loft a Bedroom?

Dina SchmidPosted
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Quote from @Nathan Gesner:

Bedroom requirements can change depending on local code. Generally:

  • Minimum size: Most jurisdictions consider a minimum of 70 square feet of floor space.
  • Minimum horizontal dimension: At least one wall should be 7 feet long.
  • Egress: Two methods of egress, typically a door and a window.
  • Ceiling height: At least half of the room should have a ceiling height of 7 feet.
  • Closet not always necessary: While a closet is often considered a bedroom feature, it's not always required by building codes to classify a room as a bedroom.

That's true in most parts of the country, but not the county we're buying in. There is a "hobbit house" that went on the market earlier this year that was built into a hillside. It has one door and two fixed windows on the sides of the door. It is essentially a cave with only that one means of egress. However, one man's death trap is another man's wildly popular STR. I just checked and it has reservations through the summer already and I'm sure its occupancy rate is close to 90%.

I think we'll list as a 3BR but be very clear in photos and description that it's 2BR + loft. (And put in a window that can be opened for egress because I do want my STR to be "up to code" even if there aren't codes.)

Post: Is a Loft a Bedroom?

Dina SchmidPosted
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Quote from @John Underwood:

I imagine this is on a septic tank?

Builders do this a lot to add extra potential sleeping area without having more bedrooms than septic is rated for.

I have seen people put beds in the loft after closing or even close in this area to make an unofficial bedroom.

Just be clear in your pictures and description and you should be fine either way.


 Surprisingly it is one of the very few cabins in the area on public sewer and not on septic. We were honestly surprised by that. I never thought about the lofts being a way to overcome the capacity of the septic. Definitely something I should be keeping in mind if we ever look at another property!

We're going to see how much it would be to swap out the window. It would just help me to sleep at night knowing that there's real egress anytime someone in my family was sleeping there.

Post: Is a Loft a Bedroom?

Dina SchmidPosted
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Where do you draw the line for when a loft just a loft and when is it considered an actual bedroom?

One of my pet peeves in listings (AirBnB/VRBO and MLS) is listing as a 3BR when it's a 2BR + loft. (Second only to "sleeps 8" but photos reveal seats for 4 in LR/DR.) Sometimes the lofts are large enough that you can stand up comfortably, other times they're two mattess on the floor and you have to crawl in from the ladder.

We're under contract to purchase a SFR new build listed on the MLS as having 2BR. It also has a nice loft with ceiling that's high enough that you don't have to hunch over to walk around. It's staged with a daybed + trundle (plus 2 chairs, coffee table and TV; its a good size), but the windows do not open, so egress by stairs only. Previous spec home from the builder with nearly identical floor plan was sold as 2BR, but lists on AirBnB as 3BR. There are only stationary windows in the loft and no codes requiring window egress for a BR.

Would you consider it a 2BR or a 3BR? Would having a window that opens make a difference? 

I personally would have to have one of the windows replaced before I'd feel comfortable renting it, but that's just me and based on personal experience including a traumatic one from childhood in watching the apartment building next to ours burn in the middle of the night. (Damage, but no injuries fortunately.)