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All Forum Posts by: Diana Klauman

Diana Klauman has started 1 posts and replied 9 times.

Post: Reo counteroffer

Diana KlaumanPosted
  • Lake Ozark, MO
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @T Stewart:

If the square footage is either +150 or -150 of your subject property 

it should still work. 

Much success to you!

 Thanks!  Will post an update soon, hopefully. 

Post: Reo counteroffer

Diana KlaumanPosted
  • Lake Ozark, MO
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @T Stewart:

I would also suggest the comps are not older than

3 months on sold properties to get a good comp value.

 Thanks T Stewart.  Comps have been my biggest challenge.  The area I am looking at has such a wide variety of property type it's difficult to find anything that is similar builing, age, square footage.   

Post: Reo counteroffer

Diana KlaumanPosted
  • Lake Ozark, MO
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 0

Yes @Brent Coombs that is sold.  ☺

Post: Reo counteroffer

Diana KlaumanPosted
  • Lake Ozark, MO
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @Phil Z.:
Originally posted by @Diana Klauman:
Originally posted by @Phil Z.:

- 50% is probably not going to get a counter.  It will get rejected.

- To me a low ball offer is a ridiculously low offer compared to it's true market value.  Not compared to it's list price.  If your low balling based on the list price, it might still be a true market value offer.

- They are not going to come down $10k at a time while you nudge up $500.  Your probably going to look like a giant waist of time, and they are very busy.

- The value 10 years ago is mostly irrelevant, however, it's a concern that you say it now comps $50k higher than the height of the market.   Something is not right here.

 Thanks for the info Phil Z.  I got a counter offer yesterday for $85,000.  I am going to search for comps in the more realistic range of $110k-120k.  Next offer I'm thinking $55k now,  along with justifications (roof,siding, insulation, drywall, appliances,  driveway grading, tree removal, mechanicals, deck repair).  

Offer $55k, rehab  $60k puts us right in the middle at $115k for what reasonable comps would be.  Would it make a difference if I said I would finance through Wells Fargo?

- You should not be 'searching for comps' to meet a specific number.  You search for comps that are within 1 mile, and similar size, style and good/excellent condition.  You make it sound like you can control property values by just using different comps.  The market controls the price.

- If your offer plus repair costs equals the ARV .. then your going to lose about $20k.

 Thanks for the posts Phil Z.  Interesting food for thought about Wells Fargo.  I understand what you are saying about comps.  There are no comps within 1 mile radius that are even close to size.  Everything seems to be about half the size or twice the size!  Even those at half size are about $165,000.  So then the comps I mentioned in earlier post would actually be accurate (they are similar size, better condition and in 2-3 mile radius)?  So then theoretically  I don't lose 20k but come out ahead.....

Post: Reo counteroffer

Diana KlaumanPosted
  • Lake Ozark, MO
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @Reggie Maggard:

What are the rehab numbers and transaction costs? Banks might negotiate after an inspection reveals this or that. 

I would focus more on what you would buy the property for and it be worth your time not necessarily what the bank is wanting.

 Thanks Reggie!  I think you are right.  What do I want?  I think it's a pretty good deal and am going to go for it.  Rehab around $60k.  Hoping for less but giving a generous budget never hurts!  I think transaction is about $1700.  Inspection is a contingency, since the one thing I can't evaluate myself is the septic.  Finding out about that after purchase would NOT be a nice surprise.  

Post: Reo counteroffer

Diana KlaumanPosted
  • Lake Ozark, MO
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @Brent Coombs:

@Diana Klauman, my guess is Wells Fargo DON'T want to be its Lender. They likely want it gone, with its FULL value back in their coffers! And by full value, I'm guessing they mean something much closer to $85k than $55k! [Not official REO or Wells Fargo advice].

Based on your last post, why are you still interested if you're up for proper as-is value? Cheers...

 Brent, the house is in a great location with no other foreclosures.  I am looking to purchase home for myself.  Maybe a BRR in the future.  Most homes in the area are $200k or more.  Not in my entry level budget. Thanks for the response and thought provoking question!

Post: Reo counteroffer

Diana KlaumanPosted
  • Lake Ozark, MO
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @Phil Z.:

- 50% is probably not going to get a counter.  It will get rejected.

- To me a low ball offer is a ridiculously low offer compared to it's true market value.  Not compared to it's list price.  If your low balling based on the list price, it might still be a true market value offer.

- They are not going to come down $10k at a time while you nudge up $500.  Your probably going to look like a giant waist of time, and they are very busy.

- The value 10 years ago is mostly irrelevant, however, it's a concern that you say it now comps $50k higher than the height of the market.   Something is not right here.

 Thanks for the info Phil Z.  I got a counter offer yesterday for $85,000.  I am going to search for comps in the more realistic range of $110k-120k.  Next offer I'm thinking $55k now,  along with justifications (roof,siding, insulation, drywall, appliances,  driveway grading, tree removal, mechanicals, deck repair).  

Offer $55k, rehab  $60k puts us right in the middle at $115k for what reasonable comps would be.  Would it make a difference if I said I would finance through Wells Fargo?

Post: Reo counteroffer

Diana KlaumanPosted
  • Lake Ozark, MO
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @Diana Klauman:

Hello BP!  Short time reader first time poster.  

Facts:  

List REO price $88,900. Cash or conventional. Listed for 65 days (I know it's longer but listing was allowed to expire and then was relisted). Reduced $5,000 after first 30 days on this listing. Wells Fargo owns it. Last purchase price of home was 10 years ago for $113,000 in move in condition. Comps for the property are about $165,000, but don't think they are realistic since they are all 10+ years younger and variable in SF. Listing agent said there had been 1 previous offer but they couldn't come to terms. (Don't know how long ago it was or what offer price was. My agent asked but listing agent simply said "I dont know". Listing agent also didn't know what minimum bid was for auction). No action on property

I put in a low ball offer yesterday after seeing property-50% LP.  Cash, 30 day close, inspection contingency, owner occupied.  The offer works for me but I'm sure it won't work for bank.

Questions:

If I have opportunity to counter, will Wells Fargo bite if if I make offer price the same but say I will use Wells Fargo as lender with 30%down? Do they care I would give them $15,000 in interest from the loan?  Do I up the offer up to that $15,000 they would make on the loan and use my own lender?  

Should I just go up by $500-1000? 

Do I put it on my wait and see list?

I am willing to go up a total of $15,000 on the offer.  After that I put on my walking shoes. 

Thanks in advance for any comments/suggestions!

Post: Reo counteroffer

Diana KlaumanPosted
  • Lake Ozark, MO
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 0

Hello BP!  Short time reader first time poster.  

Facts:  

List REO price $88,900. Cash or conventional. Listed for 65 days (I know it's longer but listing was allowed to expire and then was relisted). Reduced $5,000 after first 30 days on this listing. Wells Fargo owns it. Last purchase price of home was 10 years ago for $113,000 in move in condition. Comps for the property are about $165,000, but don't think they are realistic since they are all 10+ years younger and variable in SF. Listing agent said there had been 1 previous offer but they couldn't come to terms. (Don't know how long ago it was or what offer price was. My agent asked but listing agent simply said "I dont know". Listing agent also didn't know what minimum bid was for auction). No action on property

I put in a low ball offer yesterday after seeing property-50% LP.  Cash, 30 day close, inspection contingency.  The offer works for me but I'm sure it won't work for bank.

Questions:

If I have opportunity to counter, will Wells Fargo bite if if I make offer price the same but say I will use Wells Fargo as lender with 30%down?

Should I just go up by $500-1000? 

I know this will depend on the original response but let's play the what if game.  WF comes back with $85,000.  

Thanks for your comments/suggestions!