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All Forum Posts by: Dhwani Shah

Dhwani Shah has started 6 posts and replied 24 times.

@Mike Garner I'm curious about how your properties you bought on roofstock going? Have you had any issues? What's you RoR currently?

Quote from @Greg R.:

@Michael Helfant, there's a lot we don't know about the deal. But from what we know, list price was 320k (seems like it was priced appropriately). There is a 25k appraisal gap, which I'm assuming is relevant because the home didn't appraise. Therefore, the buyer is eating (roughly) 27k over the value of the house between the appraisal shortfall and the free "rent back". A 27k loss on a property in the low 300's is absolutely absurd IMO. Yes, I know there are some desperate people willing to take such a bad deal, but that doesn't mean that it's a good deal or the norm, because it's not. 

There are realtors who will work to avoid those bidding wars where the buyer comes out on the short end of the stick. There are FSBO, Opendoor/ Redfin listings (lower commissions), homes that have been on the market longer, etc., etc. The buyer would have been way better off paying a full buyers agent commission of about 9k to get a better deal without all of these concessions. My point is that there are absolutely ways to avoid these scenarios. If you go the "traditional" route, you are setting your self up to get burned in this market.

Two of the markets I follow very closely are San Diego and DFW, both very hot markets. In the last few weeks we're seeing price decreases, homes coming back on market, homes not going into contract right away - hanging in a "new" status for 10-14 days, etc. From several very credible "boots on the ground" people in my network, these insane over list offers with all contingencies waived are almost a thing of the past. Still there on a small amount of extremely desirable properties, but otherwise they are disappearing fast.  

 Hey @Greg R. thanks for you input! Really appreciate it! One thing I do want to clarify is...we have in the contract that we will cover UP TO 25k appraisal gap, not that it's already determined that that's what it's going to be. The bank will send out an appraiser this week probably. May end up being that we don't have any appraisal gap. Just wanted to clarify that though...

Quote from @Gregory M Paielli:

Hello,

It depends on what the PA says. You will need an addendum to change anything.  Are you still in the inspection phase? If so you could cancel, but I question why. The rent in a percentage format is so low in comparison on how much more you paid and if you got a good interest rate why worry about that. Its peanuts. I would not let that hang the deal up if you like it. Make sure that you have the right type of Insurance while they stay there. You will not need homeowners insurance but rather a fire/ liability policy for the 30 days they stay there. Good Luck Greg

 Hey @Gregory M Paielli ...we just finished inspections last week and the bank has converted the loan as of this week. I don't care so much for the rent honestly as the liability and potential of the house being damaged, something happens to owners, sued, etc. ...this is my biggest worry. From everyone response here, it seems like this is very NORMAL as to what happened, but the liability and state of my house is a huge thing we fear.

Quote from @Michael Helfant:

A lot of this is dependent upon some of fine print in the PA, and you're agent should be able to answer the questions with regard to who is responsible for what, so I don't want to speak too much to that. 

More so, I'll speak to what is "normal," at least in our market. Especially when the seller is a primary homeowner, that occupancy is common. We see it up at 60 days occupancy a lot of the time, too. And, it is often also that FREE occupancy I think you're referring to here. Basically, they are responsible for all utilities, however, the taxes are prorated beginning the day of close and you are responsible for mortgage payments if there are any before occupancy ends. Most likely, this occupancy really is what got this under contract for you. If you didn't do it, they would have found someone else who would have. 

Another win here might be that you won't even have a mortgage payment before they move out. If you close in June, your first payment isn't until August 1st. 


 This is normal? I'm actually surprised to be honest. And as far as the mortgage payment, regardless of it being due August 1st, wouldn't we still pay all that prorated first week of June to July? The way I understand it is, we'd still pay it, but just not right away...which either way is not a concern. Our biggest concern is the occupancy AFTER we close.

Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

You guys offered 42k over asking on the house, so I would try not to focus on the $1800 in rent that you guys will not get for that month. Between the inspection and new interest rate, you will also pay more than an extra 1800 for the exact same deal if you were to go under contract today. I would ask to escrow 2-3k until you take possession as a "deposit" if you have condition concerns. 

They could say no to this and if you have not found any quality issues with the house so far, I would consider it a safe assumption to assume that they will not damage it in the four weeks they are there after closing.

Most likely, the sellers are not legally allowed to back out because you offend them by asking for an escrow. That being said, I would try to accept in your head that you bought the house for 364k instead of 362k. 

You also need to see this as a win. You got a house under contract with an appraisal gap that is less than 10% of the asking pricing. That is a great deal in our current market. 


This is why I am actually wanting to not want this deal to fall through. We do like the house, we do understand we have a GREAT interest rate locked, and we do understand the $1800 is negligible in the long run. We just goofed up on the contract. I do like the escrow suggestion, so thank you for that!

My biggest concern is around the liability and safety of the home and us which is ours after closing. Cause if anything happens, yes we'd have insurance, but then our insurance will go up...we will be liable. Agents and current owners wouldn't care. I may be thinking too negative here, but talking to my dad and him talking to his colleagues at work, they're all suggesting that we ONLY close when they're about to move and am not occupying it. 

Hey guys. So my wife and I are in the process of buying a home for ourselves. We have one investment property, but this is the first home for ourselves. The listing price for this was 320k, but we ended up getting it for 362k with buyer knowledge inspection and 25k appraisal gap. With the market being this crazy, we knew something this aggressive is only what's going to get us into the running. According to our agent, there were multiple offers and everything, but they ended up taking ours as it was the best. One of the other things we were okay with and was in the contract is a possession clause. So we have set the closing date to first week of June and we're going to take possession first week of July. Now this is where we messed up...we were under the impression that even after closing, the owners would pay for everything until we take possession. I just found out his wasn't the case talking with family and my loan officer. So as the contract is written, we're giving these guys essentially free stay (they only pay utilities) until they move out, which is June 25, so end of month essentially. This was not explained to us by our agent and we were okay with this because we thought they'd be paying for everything until we take possession. Currently we've done inspections and all came clean and the bank just converted the loan over to this property this week. What should we do now? Talking to the agent, he's like this is what got you guys this deal and going back would kill the deal and etc? I want to believe my agent, but we actually have talked to the owner as we ran into them during inspection and realized that some of the stuff they felt (eg. such as things they want to leave behind for us) was not the same as what we got back from our agent when we asked them. And conversing with the owners we think was a much better experience. 

I don't mind losing this deal (I still love the house, so don't want to, but if it's a must) and losing the inspection cost we incurred, but I don't want to lose this really good interest rate we had locked! Along with that, once the closing is done, what about the liability and how the house is taken care of and everything else. It's essentially ours, but as much as I want to trust the owners, I don't know them. They can break something, leave things behind, could get in an accident, and all that. Along with that, we're paying for everything after closing which I don't like either. What should we do? I'm thinking we can ask for rent or payment or we move the closing date to when they're moving? Is this also normal to give people possession for so long after closing? Just so much liability issues I see as well. And finally, I really want to just talk to the owners rather than going through my agent as I think they're good people.

Sorry for the long post guys, but really really appreciate any help and feedback on what's normal and what should we do. Thanks!

@Gurpreet Kaur Matharu sorry it took me a while to respond, but thank you! The property is in northern ky.

Quote from @Kate Jones:

Hey there! Great job at taking this step. I am in a similar situation as you. I am from out of state and looking to move to Louisville. I would love to reach out to you and discuss what the town is like and/or just make a friend. I am also a new investor and I am working up to my first deal. Any tips or suggestions? Do you know any mentors or possible lenders? Thanks! Hope to talk to you soon.


Hey Kate! That's great...hope you can get a deal real soon! I actually grew up in Louisville and was there for 15+yrs, so I'm familiar with the area if you have any questions :) 

But you're def in the right place to start your journey. Great community and very motivational podcast! The best advice I can give is, be a sponge. You're always going to be learning something new in RE: when you're trying to find a deal, analyzing and going after a deal, and after you've closed on the deal. Also, looking at properties in person, rather than just on your computer makes a huge difference. Each of them are different, so seeing how bad (or good) a property can be and then analyzing that is person is a game changer. I didn't also have a mentor, just networking. Met agents that showed me properties. Met sellers on occasions. Met tenants as well. All these meetings were my mentors I'd say :)

Good luck and DM me if you have any other questions, would love to keep in touch! 

Quote from @Nathan Murith:

@Dhwani Shah, I love it! Just basic, raw, and authentic! Simple but true. Kudos! Too many people try to complicate this whole thing too much.

I can relate particularly well as I am also in tech and also have been just taking one step at a time to make that optional. When we started years ago, I couldn't see momentum. 

Now, we have a portfolio that could cover most of our large bills but we still invest that return instead.

Well done, and keep it up!

If you ever want to talk Midwest tech, let me know. While I am not located there, I have a lot of folks I work with out there.


 Ohh that's awesome! I'll def reach out to you over DM and let's connect, both tech and RE! Let's keep the hustle going :)

Quote from @Nathan Murith:

congratulations, @Dhwani Shah that is awesome!

Where do you invest? what are your goals?

 Hey @Nathan Murith . I'm in the Northern Kentucky area. And my goals are simple, I don't care how, meaning through equity, cash flow, etc. ...I want to be able to replace my 9-5 monthly income and make that amount passively. I'm in tech and make over six figures, but that tax time is the worst. Seeing all the taxes and even crazy amounts more on my bonus kills me. This is one of my biggest motivators for sure! I love the tech field, so eventually, with passive income, I want to combine my tech skills with RE and have my own business someday.