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All Forum Posts by: Derrick Small

Derrick Small has started 1 posts and replied 8 times.

Quote from @Mike Klarman:

You are never paying the lender anything directly.  It is all done through escrow.

So, when someone asks for money upfront it is either a scam or a greedy intermediary like a broker or corresponding lender that is getting some upfront money.

Stories just like this is why I started by curation REI company. Lots of new investors are either doing it all backwards: making offers before doing comps or getting a contractor to give you a bid or they are getting scammed by phony lenders or they are just getting themselves into a terrible project.

People are shooting themselves in the foot even before they start.  If you are new or if you have dreams of scaling then you should be starting with small, fast projects.  Purchase 60k - 90k, rehab of 30k - 60k max.  Cosmetic updates to kitchens, bathrooms...paint the walls, refinish or install new floors.  30 day - 40 day project.  2.5 month timeline from close to close.  With a return of 100% - 150% of the capital requirement the deal took.  So if a deal costs you 30k all in with downpayment, fees, holding costs, then your return should be 30k - 45k.  These are the perfect starter deals.  Lenders will let a newbie do a deal like this.  It's small.  It's fast.  It's safe.  Anyone who starts with me starts in three deals like that.  Then we move up in buy box and rehab.

I agree 100% , I've actually done many flips,  I was just thinking I could start doing multiple projects to keep going and I thought this was the company to do it. I was wrong 😃 

Yes I would keep moving forward, I wouldn't give them anymore money 

Yes they funded the first deal as they already had my $2,000 commitment fee. The scam is the way they tell you/email at the beginning all these great terms that your approved for. Then after ut goes to underwriting (that takes forever l) they come back with terrible updated terms,  they already have the commitment fee so you either continue with the terrible new terms or give up your commitment fee. 

also they tell you commitment fee us fully refundable after sussesfull closing. Then when I was trying to ask for the refund after closing weeks went by before they even answered and I was told they used this commitment fee money to shop around for lower interest rates, complete scam

Sorry to hear you are having the same problems. Are they not even responding to you, I could at least get an email back , but it was always the next thing they needed, some type of document. I don't think they answer/call from the states. 

Quote from @Caleb J Craig:
Quote from @Derrick Small:

FYI , Stay away from FLIP AND FAST LOANS LLC. On the initial phone call they will approve you for 100% closing cost & 100% rehab, tell you they need a fully refundable $2,000 commitment fee wired that day and it will be wired directly back to you after successfully closing.

After your $750.00 appraisal is received , it takes them a few weeks to hear back from the "Committee", then they come back with the new updated term sheet a few days from the closing date. Now it's 85% purchase LTV & 100% rehab and you have no choice but to move forward if you want to pursue the purchase. They also went from two points to four and added few other fees. The %85,000 loan had $7,000 lender fees. I did continue with this purchase on 6/27 and went on for weeks asking about $2,000 reimbursement, nothing.

During the time I was waiting on appraisal I acquired another property under contract and I thought everything was moving smoothly so I gave them an additional $2,000 commitment fee for the new property, same scenario, I was approved for 100% purchase ,and thinking the commitment fee would be reimbursed. boy was I wrong.

The second home was a $164,000 loan and of coarse the new terms came in after appraisal and now its $11,000 in lender fees, yes I put that correctly, $11,000.00. By now I knew I was not getting my first $2,000 commitment fee and never going to see my second $2,000 commitment fee and now $11,000 in closing fees I backed out on the deal .

They only operate the business through text/email. No one will ever answer the phone and every phone number I tried calling on from their text, I always received a full voicemail. Every once in a while I would receive a text asking if I could take a call at a certain time, but it’s only an employee that has no authority in the company, just someone to take all the frustration from the borrower. I did always fell bad talking to her as this was my only option to vent.

They still have not reimbursed my commitment fee after sending multiple emails and no reply.

I looked more into their business and the address they use is actually a remote office anyone can set up, they give the business an address and phone number. I don’t even think they live in the states.

When you see other investors say NEVER pay upfront fees listen to them.

I'm just chalking this up as one of my many learning experiences I have had in this business. There are so many more issues I had with this company anf if anyone wants to more information of my experience, I have all the emails, text,HUD statements. I am just thankful I don't have to hear anyone from this company say" waiting on the Committee for an answer " ever again I must have heard this 200 times LOL ,


 Derrick - what else do you have on this company? They seem to be a scam and I have spent $30K in commitment fees and have nothing to show for it. Did they give you any paperwork or have you signed any documents whatsoever?


Stay away, complete scam. They promise you everything on your initial call, get you to wire $2,000 commitment fee they say is refundable, then they change terms to 85% purchase price and then go from 2 points to four points, a $164,000 loan had $11,000 in lender fees, and I'm not even joking about that, plus I never seen my commitment fee returned. Total scam 

FYI , Stay away from FLIP AND FAST LOANS LLC. On the initial phone call they will approve you for 100% closing cost & 100% rehab, tell you they need a fully refundable $2,000 commitment fee wired that day and it will be wired directly back to you after successfully closing.

After your $750.00 appraisal is received , it takes them a few weeks to hear back from the "Committee", then they come back with the new updated term sheet a few days from the closing date. Now it's 85% purchase LTV & 100% rehab and you have no choice but to move forward if you want to pursue the purchase. They also went from two points to four and added few other fees. The %85,000 loan had $7,000 lender fees. I did continue with this purchase on 6/27 and went on for weeks asking about $2,000 reimbursement, nothing.

During the time I was waiting on appraisal I acquired another property under contract and I thought everything was moving smoothly so I gave them an additional $2,000 commitment fee for the new property, same scenario, I was approved for 100% purchase ,and thinking the commitment fee would be reimbursed. boy was I wrong.

The second home was a $164,000 loan and of coarse the new terms came in after appraisal and now its $11,000 in lender fees, yes I put that correctly, $11,000.00. By now I knew I was not getting my first $2,000 commitment fee and never going to see my second $2,000 commitment fee and now $11,000 in closing fees I backed out on the deal .

They only operate the business through text/email. No one will ever answer the phone and every phone number I tried calling on from their text, I always received a full voicemail. Every once in a while I would receive a text asking if I could take a call at a certain time, but it’s only an employee that has no authority in the company, just someone to take all the frustration from the borrower. I did always fell bad talking to her as this was my only option to vent.

They still have not reimbursed my commitment fee after sending multiple emails and no reply.

I looked more into their business and the address they use is actually a remote office anyone can set up, they give the business an address and phone number. I don’t even think they live in the states.

When you see other investors say NEVER pay upfront fees listen to them.

I'm just chalking this up as one of my many learning experiences I have had in this business. There are so many more issues I had with this company anf if anyone wants to more information of my experience, I have all the emails, text,HUD statements. I am just thankful I don't have to hear anyone from this company say" waiting on the Committee for an answer " ever again I must have heard this 200 times LOL ,