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All Forum Posts by: Derek L Mooy

Derek L Mooy has started 4 posts and replied 14 times.

Post: Hard Money Lender Recommendation in Oklahoma

Derek L MooyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chandler, OK
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 9

Currently my wife and I own 4 single family rentals but plan to scale up in order to eventually be financially free and pursue this full time without a W-2 job.

That being said, we’ve located a great wedge deal on a 12 door apartment complex we’re highly interested in but don’t have the funds for the down payment. Details on the property are below.

- The property is listed for $184,900.

- 12 units, each are 1 bed 1 bath

- Located in a college town

- 7 units are rented at $250/month

- 2 units are rented at $200/month

- 3 units are vacant

- Rents haven’t been raised in 15-20 years

- The structure is solid but is in need of renovations with some units needing more than just a quick cosmetic “paint and floor” (that’s all the details I currently have on renovation needs)

My thought is to make the purchase, bump rents $50/month for the 9 tenants, renovate the 3 vacant units and charge $600/month, move back to renovating the 9 with tenants. After all this, refinance.

It appears that the list price is based on current rents, not ARV.

At this point, this would require us to use a hard money lender as all other avenues I’m comfortable with are proving futile.

Thoughts? Advice?

Post: Quit My Job now what

Derek L MooyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chandler, OK
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 9

@Derek L Mooy

So I should have read all your responses first before replying... my apology.

1. Thank you for providing our freedom by serving in the armed forces. My hat is off to you sir.

2. Maybe going back to your old job isn’t the best but finding some sort of W2 job is ideal even with your $3400/month disability. Banks and lenders will like to see it.

3. Sounds like you have the grit and know how to embrace the suck. Keep at it. Stay strong. (I’m just glad I stated what I said humbly and not condescending...)

4. Living on $2500 and investing the remaining sounds like a good plan even if you choose not to get another job.

Post: Quit My Job now what

Derek L MooyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chandler, OK
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 9

@Skyler Mckinney

Hey man, I’m all for you succeeding in this industry but, as has already been said, GO BACK TO YOUR BOSS AND ASK FOR THE $25/HR JOB BACK.

There’s only two things that drive me forward each day more than real estate. 1. God and 2. My wife and son. My point is that regardless of your strong desire to be financially free through real estate, your main OBLIGATION and PRIVILEGE is to your children. It is impossible to do anything greater in this life than raising your kids the right way. Read that last sentence 1,000,000 times. Providing for them with a $25/hr job is a good start in the right direction until you build up enough real estate to quit your day job.

You’re 25. Even if you’re a formidable 25 year old at the top of a 25 year old’s potential, your still just 25. Barely legal to buy beer. I say this only having 11 years on you and I say it humbly because I’m still just a kid myself. As one person has already said, you need to suck it up.

I don’t have a clue about who you are and I don’t claim to know you at all. But what I do know is that people my age and younger (Millennials and younger) generally are much softer than previous generations. If this is you I recommend being honest with yourself about it and pushing through. Get tough. Embrace the suck. However you wanna say it. Just find your grit.

All the best luck to you! Don’t stop doing real estate! Keep at it! But take care of your kids like a man in the meantime.

I’m 36 and only have three properties. If I could go back to 25 and start there...

Even though it will suck now at 25, when your 35...45...55...65...75 you will look back on these days and truly say “oh those were the good days when I struggled for every inch”.

Good luck. Best wishes. May you succeed. May you allow God to guide you.

Post: Newbie Jumping In Head First

Derek L MooyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chandler, OK
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 9

@Jonathan Aymin

I don’t have much experience so others may be able to contribute better info but I’ve spoken in depth with my bankers and they know the plan and are excited to lend long as it makes us all money. One of our main goals is to not become to leveraged so they know their money is safely invested. So, we’re buying with instant equity or at least buying properties that we can do a lot of value add through sweat equity.

I have no idea on a small business owner’s eligibility with the banks. I would build relationships with smaller banks that have more freedom to base their decisions on watching you work from a closer perspective than some underwriter working for a big national bank that doesn’t care as much.

Post: Newbie Jumping In Head First

Derek L MooyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chandler, OK
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 9

@Jonathan Aymin

I was hoping people got the joke haha. I have a very dry sense of humor and most of the time I’m the only one laughing at myself...

Post: Newbie Jumping In Head First

Derek L MooyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chandler, OK
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 9

@Todd Rasmussen

Great advice! Thank you very much. We don’t plan on quitting the day job for at least the 5 years depending on where our portfolio sits at that time.

Post: Newbie Jumping In Head First

Derek L MooyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chandler, OK
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 9

Bigger Pockets Members,

Just wanted to share a beginner’s story.

My wife and I currently own one rental property but only because we decided to rent out our house when we moved into a home we recently had built on our small farm. We had a great experience with our first year of land lording, due to proper rent at screening and seeking professional advice. So we decided to make a life of it. We know we’ll have some rough experiences but, according to those here on Bigger Pockets, it’s worth it.

We received praise from some for doing what we did but we also received criticism from many more. What we decided to do was cash out a small Roth (20k) and invest it into rental real estate. Our strategy was to invest about 50-75% of it and use the rest for a buffer (repairs, unexpected costs, other OVC’s).

After setting up an LLC with our accountant's and lawyer's direction we began looking for our first deal. Soon we found two homes owned by the same couple and, after running all the numbers, we began negotiating. Currently we have offers on both homes that have been accepted and we're scheduled to close by April's end.

We are excited to get into this business and we’re not letting anyone tell us it can’t be done. I don’t give credibility to anyone who has never tried this and only provides a healthy dose of “don’t do it man”. Decidedly, we’re submerging ourselves with advice and direction of those that know what they’re doing and we’re ignoring the skeptics that have no real reason to discourage us.

Our strategy:

1. Buy for cash flow, or future cash flow once repairs are made and rents are adjusted to a proper fair rate. (So many homes are “ran down” in our area thus bringing in lower than acceptable rent rates).

2. Buy with at least 30% equity so as not to lose money if we are forced to sell or the market crashes (which it will at some point). Gotta have a good exit strategy.

3. Buy homes that need minor repair that we can do ourselves. We’re handy so we enjoy putting in the time to gain some decent sweat equity. This ties back into #1 above.

4. Learn everyday, especially regarding how we can fund deal after deal without being over-leveraged.

5. Maintain solid relationships with our bankers, accountant and lawyer.

Our idea at this point is this: it’s okay if a given investment doesn’t provide incredible immediate cash flow only as long as it will once repairs have been made and rents go up to a fair rate for both parties. If a property is only cash flowing $100/month this year but will cash flow $250 later, we’re good. We are a single-income family and our plan is for me to retire from my day job in 5 years. So, as long as the cash flow at that point on each property is solid we can deal with slightly lower flow now.

My beautiful wife, Rebekah, doesn’t quite have the risk tolerance I have. I wanna move fast, she wants to move slow... so we compromised and we’re moving slow (hahahaha).

We’re newbies and only know what we’ve learned from Bigger Pockets, other investors, accountants and lawyers. However, please allow me to forward on some great advice I heard on a Bigger Pockets podcast: no one gets rich on their first deal but they can get rich BECAUSE of their first deal. Jump in and make it happen. Do it wisely, but DO IT. That’s what we’re doing.

Thanks,

Derek and Rebekah

Post: Mortgage: file all, some, or no business expenses on tax return?

Derek L MooyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chandler, OK
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 9

@Joe Pea

Like the others have stated, tax fraud comes into play when not filing expenses.

I have a brother who is a minister which allows him to legally claim quite a bit of his income as expense lowering his taxable income. He works with his banker and they’re working with him in light of his entire financial situation. Smaller banks usually work with situations like this a lot more than the bigger banks.

Post: Is it possible to get under 20% down payment for ...

Derek L MooyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chandler, OK
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 9

@Sam Hanaa

I’m not sure about Canadian standards but I am closing on two single family homes in the U.S. for 10% down going through a smaller local bank. Maybe the same can be done there?

Post: How Many Bank Accounts Per LLC?

Derek L MooyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chandler, OK
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 9

Just wondering what others are doing regarding how many bank accounts you open for each legal entity (LLC, S-Corp, etc).

I’m considering the following strategy:

Account 1: All rents are deposited into this account.

Account 2: Transfer taxes into this account (interest bearing savings)

Account 3: CapEx/Repairs account (interest bearing)

Account 4: Net Profit goes into this account. Also pay myself from this account

Thoughts? Looking for advice from experienced owners/landlords.