Skip to content
×
PRO
Pro Members Get Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
$0
TODAY
$69.00/month when billed monthly.
$32.50/month when billed annually.
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
Already a Pro Member? Sign in here
Pick markets, find deals, analyze and manage properties. Try BiggerPockets PRO.
x
All Forum Categories
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

All Forum Posts by: Derek Lee

Derek Lee has started 3 posts and replied 10 times.

Post: Tapping into Equity - HELOAN vs Sell

Derek LeePosted
  • Investor
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Devin Peterson:
Quote from @Derek Lee:

BP Community, thanks in advance for your input. I would like to get your thoughts on the most efficient way to tap into equity. 

I purchased a SFH and Duplex back in 2020. Both properties are currently at a 50%~ LTV. I want to use this equity for a down payment on future value-add projects.

Options:

1. HELOAN (2nd Position) - A Lender is quoting 10.5% fixed, 30 year term, 75% CLTV. Which comes out to $1200 P&I, this would wipe out the $800 of cash flow from my first properties. My current DTI is at 15%~ so there's a buffer to cover the negative cash flow. The interest rate hurts, but does this option make the most sense if it's offset by the forced appreciation in the next projects?

2. Sell - Would prefer to avoid this to keep my low interest rate (3.3%) and avoid fees/taxes. 

Let me know if there are other options I should consider.


 Have you ran a cost analysis off blended rate. Heloc + current rate compared to a new cash out loan? Is there any difference in payment?

The blended rate is at about 6.2% so about a half point lower than a cash out refinance. So the payment would be slightly lower than a cash-out-refinance.

Thanks for your input, comparing it this way reduces the the sticker shock of the 10.5% but it's still a tough to swallow. 

Post: Tapping into Equity - HELOAN vs Sell

Derek LeePosted
  • Investor
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Steve Vaughan:
Quote from @Derek Lee:

BP Community, thanks in advance for your input. I would like to get your thoughts on the most efficient way to tap into equity. 

I purchased a SFH and Duplex back in 2020. Both properties are currently at a 50%~ LTV. I want to use this equity for a down payment on future value-add projects.

Options:

1. HELOAN (2nd Position) - A Lender is quoting 10.5% fixed, 30 year term, 75% CLTV. Which comes out to $1200 P&I, this would wipe out the $800 of cash flow from my first properties. My current DTI is at 15%~ so there's a buffer to cover the negative cash flow. The interest rate hurts, but does this option make the most sense if it's offset by the forced appreciation in the next projects?

2. Sell - Would prefer to avoid this to keep my low interest rate (3.3%) and avoid fees/taxes. 

Let me know if there are other options I should consider.

Option 3 - save organically and get creative with sub2, assumption and / or seller-financing for your next acquisition. 

Not selling a great asset financed at 3.3% and certainly not borrowing at 10%. 

Thanks for your input! I'll explore ways to get more creative. 

Post: Tapping into Equity - HELOAN vs Sell

Derek LeePosted
  • Investor
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 2

BP Community, thanks in advance for your input. I would like to get your thoughts on the most efficient way to tap into equity. 

I purchased a SFH and Duplex back in 2020. Both properties are currently at a 50%~ LTV. I want to use this equity for a down payment on future value-add projects.

Options:

1. HELOAN (2nd Position) - A Lender is quoting 10.5% fixed, 30 year term, 75% CLTV. Which comes out to $1200 P&I, this would wipe out the $800 of cash flow from my first properties. My current DTI is at 15%~ so there's a buffer to cover the negative cash flow. The interest rate hurts, but does this option make the most sense if it's offset by the forced appreciation in the next projects?

2. Sell - Would prefer to avoid this to keep my low interest rate (3.3%) and avoid fees/taxes. 

Let me know if there are other options I should consider.

Quote from @Dan Krupa:

@Derek Lee are you wanting to do a HEL on investment property, or is this your personal home? I assume investment. 


Apologies for the late response. It would be 2nd position on an investment property. 

Quote from @Brittany Minocchi:

If it's a single family and not in an LLC, I know of a program that allows investment properties. It's a little different from a true HELOC though. Otherwise, you could look into a HELOAN, which is also fixed rate and takes second position. These are more likely to allow multifamilies and/or properties in an LLC.


 Thanks Brittany, it sounds like I'm moving more towards a HELOAN. 

Quote from @Sasha Mohammed:

usually HELOCs are adjustable. And they are very difficult to find right now on investment properties. 

Alternatively, you could do a HELOAN, which would be a fixed interest rate, but is closed-ended, meaning you can only draw against it once, and then the rest of the term (usually 30 years) is used to pay back the loan. 

if you find a HELOC on an inv. prop, please let us all know! i would love to be able to offer this to my clients!

Thanks for input. I'll let you know if I decide to go down the HELOC route. 
Quote from @Scott Johnson:
Quote from @Derek Lee:

Does anyone know of any lenders that currently offer Home Equity Loans on investment properties in Kansas City, MO?

I'm currently at a 50-60% LTV on a few properties and want to know if there are fixed rate options for tapping into the equity.


 Keep in mind that HELOCs tend to be a bookkeeping nightmare, since the interest is calculated Per Diem. 

What's keeping you from refinancing a couple of properties and asking the bank what the cost is to "lock in" a rate, so that it's not Variable. Ken McElroy recently did what he calls a "bail-in" and paid $900,000 to lock in a fixed rate on one of his properties. Numbers showed that he'd have it back in about 3 years. 

Thanks for your input. I rather not refinance because I want to keep my 3% rate. 

Does anyone know of any lenders that currently offer Home Equity Loans on investment properties in Kansas City, MO?

I'm currently at a 50-60% LTV on a few properties and want to know if there are fixed rate options for tapping into the equity.

Post: Home Equity Loan - Investment Properties

Derek LeePosted
  • Investor
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 2

Sorry looks like I posted this in the wrong category, I don't see an option to delete. 

Post: Home Equity Loan - Investment Properties

Derek LeePosted
  • Investor
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 2

Does anyone know of any lenders that currently offer home equity loans on investment properties? 

I'm currently at a 50-60% LTV on some properties and want to know if there are fixed rate options for tapping into the equity.