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All Forum Posts by: DeAndre Mason

DeAndre Mason has started 15 posts and replied 33 times.

Post: Assigning a Realtor’s Contract

DeAndre MasonPosted
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I know it doesn’t make much sense but the seller may not be comfortable using my contract. I would like to use my own, but then the agent is not needed. How could I structure it with single agent agreement? Would the agent then be representing me? 

What terms should I negotiate to be included in the contract besides assignability? I know contracts need written consent included that buyer may assign the contract as well.

Post: Assigning a Realtor’s Contract

DeAndre MasonPosted
  • Posts 34
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Quote from @Joseph Beilke:

@DeAndre Mason

I am a little confused. The "seller decided to have a realtor assist with the deal" and "realtor will not be getting any commission she is just trying to get the property sold because she is tired of dealing with the seller"

Can you please clarify this?  

Many standard contracts have assignably terms built in and others such as Florida it is listed as an option.  This is a negotiable issue and I would not sign it until you are happy with terms.

Kudos to you for wanting to compensate her, it would be smarter and keep it legal by having her sign a single agent representation agreement with you.  Keep her from possibly taking a Commission outside of proper channels and getting in trouble. 

Yeah so she is not getting any commission. Since I’m using a title company it is still between only seller and end-buyer. I would just be using her contract/purchase agreement after she submits an offer for me upon receiving proof of funds. This is coming from her, but currently she is not representing me. I’m a little confused myself, but she said she won’t get a commission if I open escrow with a title attorney.

Post: Assigning a Realtor’s Contract

DeAndre MasonPosted
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Hey BP,

I may be getting a property under contract in the next few days. The seller decided to have a realtor assist with the deal but it is not going to be listed on the MLS. The realtor is just a liaison for the seller helping to speed up the process. This is an OFF MARKET DEAL and a Cash purchase as usual. I will be using a Title attorney of my choosing as well. The only difference is
that the Purchase and Sale agreement is not mine it will be the realtor’s. If the contract doesn’t include a no assignment clause, can I and should I use that purchase agreement? The realtor will not be getting any commission she is just trying to get the property sold because she is tired of dealing with the seller. I told her if the seller didn’t compensate her once he got funds, then we could work something out for her help. I would like to use my own contract, but I don’t think the seller will be comfortable doing that. Feedback is appreciated!!!

Post: Propstream? Comps accuracy

DeAndre MasonPosted
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Quote from @Duane Alexander:

propstream is great for comps. It's great for everything really. The one issue I've had with comps in my market is that sometimes the square footage doesn't match what you will find on zillow. This is because prop stream pulls from public records which is sometimes updated because people do additions and stuff and don't get permits for their work. In zillow the square footage is manually entered so it's usually correct. You'll need to cross reference your square footage. This bit me in the *** before. Imagine doing deal analysis on a house that you think is 1100 sq ft and it's actually 2500 sqft+!


 So you are saying use zillow to verify sq footage? 

Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Chris Davidson:

@DeAndre Mason where is this? You will also have to find out if it conforming or not. Always worried when efficiency is used right after a remodel and deal seem a little too good. Is it zoned for 6 units? I don't know where 350/month rent gets any tenants where you won't be having rent loss issues. However if all those numbers are true and the deal use the network tab up at the top and start searching. Or reach out to a PM or agent and ask who they use or see being used.


 This must be a VERY rural area, as in the worst areas in OH we get 700- 800 for 1 brs  this is not a good deal , I wish him well. 

It’s a D1 college town actually. It’s just that the units are tiny, however it could be very possible to raise rents to $500. On the other hand, on a cash purchase the ROI would be a 15% cash on cash return based on a $2400 monthly gross rent 
Quote from @Jacob St. Martin:

Hello DeAndre, I would like to echo the sentiment that the other people here have discussed as well as add something. First, if you want to use private money to finance the down payment on a turnkey rental, you will not be able to refinance out of that private money. When you go to refi the bank is still going to want 20% LTV (however you could get as low as 15% with a DSCR lender). Because you are not going to be adding value through rehab or increasing the net operating income you will not be able to pull out any of that private money to pay off your private lender. Additionally, some lenders for your primary mortgage will not lend to you if you are also financing the down payment. Lastly, most private money lenders are not going to want to go to 100% LTV. This is because they are in a second position mortgage. If you default you primary loan gets paid off first then the secondary loan. If they go the 100% LTV suddenly the value of this property drops 5% now they lose money if you default. This is why banks don't lend 100% LTV. If you want someone to do the second position loan for you it will probably need to be someone who knows you personally and trusts you a lot. If you can't figure out the financing but know it is a great deal you should wholesale it. This will give you some capital so that hopefully when the next deal comes around you will be able to afford the down payment. Let me know if you have any other questions!


How can you wholesale if its listed with an agent? I know there's LLC transfers but not sure if its allowed in West Virginia.

Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @DeAndre Mason:

Hey BP, 

So i have found a property that is 6 units with each unit being an "efficiency", besides one unit being a 1 bedroom. The list price is under 200k and rent revenue seems to be at LEAST $2150 a month on an $1100 mortgage. Tenants will most likely pay all utilities minus water and sewer ($100/month). Would be using a property manager (220/month) which would bring cash flow roughly to $800 starting out. Now, financing is my biggest concern. I do not have the capital to put 20% down. However, how can I go about getting private money to pay for the down payment and then cash out refinance in 6 months to pay the lender back and have enough equity to now put down enough capital myself on another property? I understand I would have to get a commercial loan so how would that work with a refinance?? The property is also turn-key and was completely gutted to studs and rebuilt about 5-6 years ago. 

I understand this may be hard to follow so let me know if I need to explain further.


 Is this 2100 gross on 6 units? That only 350 per unit ?  $10k a year net on 200k  thats  only 5% ?  Also what about garbage, Yard care/ snow ?  Be careful, the rent indicates not a good area. 


 Probably more like $2400 i was just going on lower end. Some of the units had been previously rented for 375 though.

Hey BP, 

So i have found a property that is 6 units with each unit being an "efficiency", besides one unit being a 1 bedroom. The list price is under 200k and rent revenue seems to be at LEAST $2150 a month on an $1100 mortgage. Tenants will most likely pay all utilities minus water and sewer ($100/month). Would be using a property manager (220/month) which would bring cash flow roughly to $800 starting out. Now, financing is my biggest concern. I do not have the capital to put 20% down. However, how can I go about getting private money to pay for the down payment and then cash out refinance in 6 months to pay the lender back and have enough equity to now put down enough capital myself on another property? I understand I would have to get a commercial loan so how would that work with a refinance?? The property is also turn-key and was completely gutted to studs and rebuilt about 5-6 years ago. 

I understand this may be hard to follow so let me know if I need to explain further.

Quote from @Jacques Ikolo:

@Matthew Lynch

Hey, most people do not know this but for FHA loans you CAN purchase a 5+ unit. You just have to decommission the units and bring it down to "4". In your case, you would have to decommission 2 units. You wouldn't be able to rent out the 2 if the 6 units until you refinance out of the FHA loan. Talk to a lender on their requirements, but most of them require either to remove the kitchen appliances and/or knock down a wall so that the two units are "duplexed" or combined with another unit. Totaling it up to 4 units.

EX) If the six unit building has 1 bed 1 bath each, you'll combine them to have two units that are 2 bed 2 bath and two units stay 1 bed 1 bath.... And there you go, you have a 4 unit building that is FHA approved.


In order to refinance out of the FHA loan, would you just open up a conventional mortgage then? Wouldnt you have to make another downpayment that is 20% which the OP is trying to avoid? How would this refinance work?

Post: 2 - 1 rate buy down saving deals!

DeAndre MasonPosted
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Can you explain what a 2-1 rate buy down is? Sounds pretty creative.