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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 6 posts and replied 23 times.

Post: MHP tenancy approval and investors

Account ClosedPosted
  • Flint , MI
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Richard C.:

I bought a condo space in an rv park.  And yes, I filled in the application.

Whether you like it or not, when you buy a MH in a park, you are a tenant.  There is no special privileged class called, "investor."

 Good to know. If this is standard procedure for most investors than I'll at least know to deal with it rather than try working around it.

At any rate, thanks for the insight.

Post: MHP tenancy approval and investors

Account ClosedPosted
  • Flint , MI
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Richard C.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Richard C.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Richard C.:

I hope you never have to buy a car.  The shock may kill you.

 I've bought many cars....What's your point????? 

Oh, that loan you thought I had to take out...Well,  I paid cash....

 Haven't bought one very recently, or you would know that new reporting requirements mean you will need to give up a ss# even if you are paying cash.

Here's a hint.  Real estate is a people business, and you therefore seem unlikely to be destined for success.

Well,  you're in the business, so apparently it's not much of a "people business "

In all seriousness, what the h3ll would be an acceptable answer to you?  "No, of course I don't fill out the park application!  That's absurd, I never heard of such a thing!  The park managers you are dealing with are nuts!"

Is that the only acceptable answer to you?  Because it seems like that is all you want to hear.  And you aren't going to hear it, because it is not true.

Do you ask for the ss# or prospective tenants or buyers-on-terms, or not?  If so, why should they trust you any more than you trust a park manager?  If not, how do you qualify them? 

 If you had bothered reading the whole thread you'd see I was looking for a simple yes or no answer from investors who buy in park homes. I don't care whether it's yes or no.

My frustration was due to the first few responses that just lectured me about rules rather than give a straight answer.

So, tell me..Do you yourself by park based MH homes and if so, do you submit to the same screening requiment a tenant would?

Post: MHP tenancy approval and investors

Account ClosedPosted
  • Flint , MI
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Richard C.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Richard C.:

I hope you never have to buy a car.  The shock may kill you.

 I've bought many cars....What's your point????? 

Oh, that loan you thought I had to take out...Well,  I paid cash....

 Haven't bought one very recently, or you would know that new reporting requirements mean you will need to give up a ss# even if you are paying cash.

Here's a hint.  Real estate is a people business, and you therefore seem unlikely to be destined for success.

Well,  you're in the business, so apparently it's not much of a "people business "

Post: MHP tenancy approval and investors

Account ClosedPosted
  • Flint , MI
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Richard C.:

I hope you never have to buy a car.  The shock may kill you.

 I've bought many cars....What's your point????? 

Oh, that loan you thought I had to take out...Well,  I paid cash....

Post: MHP tenancy approval and investors

Account ClosedPosted
  • Flint , MI
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Bill Neves:

With all the rules and regs on parks I have to assume they are doing the right thing. Deal with a park of some size. Avoid Joe's Mobile Villa with 7 units and you should be fine.

You can avoid giving personal info if you buy a bank repo. Then you can just send a letter that you have taken possession of the property.

Personally I prefer to meet and talk with the manager/owner. Some of my best deals have come directly from managers.

I just completed a deal that I got for $500 with 2 months rent included. I fixed it up with $7500 total invested. Sold it for $17k cash in 10 weeks. Net profit was $9500. That is over 500% annualized ROI. Where else can you do that?

I assume Lonnie Scruggs had to give his info when he first started. Gotta crawl before you walk and walk before you run. At least most of us do.

As mentioned above:

When in Rome you gotta do what the Romans do (to get along).

If you owed the park, would you take everyone on face value or would you want to know who is coming into YOUR park? Great President Ronald Reagan said 'Trust and Verify!"

 Bill,

You raise some good points and again,  I appreciate you being the sole voice of reason on this thread, willing to provide that elusive simple answer. 

I wasn't trying to start an argument or debate. I was just raising an overlooked but serious concern.

Ok, sure, Lonnie probably had to submit to the same process starting out but then again, identify theft and data breaches weren't a problem in the early 1980s which he was fortunate to start out in.

Post: MHP tenancy approval and investors

Account ClosedPosted
  • Flint , MI
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Richard C.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Bill Neves:

The simple answer is YES, you have to give the info as if you were going to live in the park. Park managers require this. I've done this on every park I've worked in. It is confidential so personal info should not get out. Once you qualify, you can buy several in the same park.

According to Identity Theft Journal, the most common cause of ID theft is a stolen wallet. Other causes are answering phishing emails and entering info on random phishing websites.

If giving out your info is a concern, don't do it. 

 Bill,

So far, you've given the most intelligent aanswer.

The problem is it's all well and good to think personal information you give to a park manager is confidential but as long as it's sitting in some file cabinet for any potentially nefarious employee to get, it's not.

Hopefully someday social security numbers are phased out in favor of something reliable like biobiometrics. In the meantime,  those who are cavalier about giving out their ssn (social slavery number) do so at their peril. 

 If you are doing Lonnie deals (probably a bad idea, btw) do you not collect the ss# of your buyers?  If you rent a MH, do you not get the ss# of your tenants?

When you buy a MH in a park, you become a tenant.  The park has every right to insist that you fill out their application.

And yes, you were rude to a poster who was just trying to help you by answering your question.  Just because you don't like the answer does not mean it was not being intelligent

The fact that you don't see the concern my original question raised proves who's not intelligent. The only rude postings were the snide remarks implying that my concern was looney.

Post: MHP tenancy approval and investors

Account ClosedPosted
  • Flint , MI
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Richard C.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Bill Neves:

Agreed. However, one of The Golden Rules says, those with the Gold make the rules! Until you can call your own shots, you gotta play by the accepted rules.

 That would be why I don't deal with parks. However, I'm still hard pressed to believe that Lonnie Scuggs gave his personal info out to park owners. 

 Why?  What is remotely hard to believe about that?

 Because Lonnie actually had a brain and probably knew better than to give out his personal information to some random park owner, many of whom are shady characters, at best.

Post: MHP tenancy approval and investors

Account ClosedPosted
  • Flint , MI
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Bill Neves:

Agreed. However, one of The Golden Rules says, those with the Gold make the rules! Until you can call your own shots, you gotta play by the accepted rules.

 That would be why I don't deal with parks. However, I'm still hard pressed to believe that Lonnie Scuggs gave his personal info out to park owners. 

Post: MHP tenancy approval and investors

Account ClosedPosted
  • Flint , MI
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Bill Neves:

The simple answer is YES, you have to give the info as if you were going to live in the park. Park managers require this. I've done this on every park I've worked in. It is confidential so personal info should not get out. Once you qualify, you can buy several in the same park.

According to Identity Theft Journal, the most common cause of ID theft is a stolen wallet. Other causes are answering phishing emails and entering info on random phishing websites.

If giving out your info is a concern, don't do it. 

 Bill,

So far, you've given the most intelligent aanswer.

The problem is it's all well and good to think personal information you give to a park manager is confidential but as long as it's sitting in some file cabinet for any potentially nefarious employee to get, it's not.

Hopefully someday social security numbers are phased out in favor of something reliable like biobiometrics. In the meantime,  those who are cavalier about giving out their ssn (social slavery number) do so at their peril. 

Post: MHP tenancy approval and investors

Account ClosedPosted
  • Flint , MI
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Leslie A.:

Well, Dave, if you're that worried about giving out your info, you probably need to go into another area of investing. The parks are going to want info on investors working in their parks. 

And by the way, you are rude. Not the way to talk to people who are trying to help you by answering your questions. 

 please explain how I'm being rude. I asked a simple and legitimate question and the responses I'm getting imply that my concern about giving out personal information is ludicrous. Have you not heard of identity thef??? 

Believe me, if I had the opportunity to opt out of social security in exchange for not having that damn nine digit number that makes us open books, I'd gladly jump at the chance. However, if I have to have one, I'll continue to refuse to give it out. If you're smart, you'd take the same approach.