All Forum Posts by: Dick Green

Hi Mark,

Glad you joined! Jump right in and get involved. Looking forward to chatting with you!

I didn't mean to sound insensitive, I was trying to make an impact about the value of keeping our freedoms in a business sector that deals with our very existence. I can choose my insurance policy. I can choose my health plan. I can choose to live in an area where 911 services are bad. It's the choosing that's important.

This most important sector of our private economy (representing 1/6), is best left in the hands of the people (clay) (flawed as they may be), than government. (iron)

The whole thrust of this initiative is to create a one pay/single system. It's a move to simplify integration of America into a global system. It has nothing to do with innovation, profit, care, compassion, forethought, the deficit or any other sane components.. Trust...it's built on trust and change regardless of what you actually read....lol

How can this new olchlocratic system of government best move it's loyal ocher servants in the direction of globalism. Mooooo! Moooove along.....don't think.....trust me, I'm gonna solve all your problems....here' have a new car...on me....lol.

I've never heard the word "Mob," used in reference to the majority of Americans in all my 54 years. Clay and the iron will never mix well.

The majority will always tend to disagree. They just won't be able to do much of anything.

The American public is being vambossled. This current administration has positioned itself on the general populace In such a fashion that disagreeing with it has little effect.

During the same time freedom of speech is being tested. Who's every heard of the government asking it's loyal followers to turn in the names of individuals who may have dissenting views?

The whole picture is worse to consider. The next administration that comes into power will probably be infatuated with the expansion of bureaucracy especially the executive branch. It will never be dismantled. This usurpation human rights within this great country who holds the largest deposit of indiviual rights will be it's bete noire.

You know whats going to happen, in it's quest for globalism, who ever we vote in during the next election, will simply pick up where this current one leaves off. For all practible purposes it will have proven that the ochlocatic form of government which, doesn't care what public opinion is, can function as a system of government in the U.S. New people same system. Then the next logical question it asks itself....Why do we need new people?

Obama is just a case of , "Let the new guy do all the dirty work politics."

I believe in free enterprise. I just don't see good change defined as turning my rights over to the government. Especially, so many, so quickly without considering the coinsequences.

Come on....what's the real rush?

My overall concern in regard to this issue is the loss of freedom that no one seems to notice. Personally, I think that it's only 1/6 of a piece to a much larger puzzle. The real problem is the spirit behind this system. We should have been warned.

I originally voted for Obama, but he gets no free pass from me. I simply disagree with what he's allowing the puppetmasters to do to America, and wish I wouldn't have fell for the whole Brotherman OKeeeDoke!

I kick myself when I think back and remember how the philosophy behind one of his confidents stunk to the high heaven. Even to the point of damning America. I must have been asleep. Damning this great country which we are blessed to live in. With the undisputed best existing health care system bar none.

Read the bills! Start Today! Consider the conversation of those who are aware of the stakes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmmiwHw8bNg

"US President Barack Obama on Friday blamed headline-hungry television networks for enflaming an ugly backlash by foes of his top priority effort to offer health care to all Americans."

"A combative Obama also accused health insurance firms of holding sick Americans "hostage" as he launched a weekend tour of mountain west states Montana, Colorado and Arizona where suspicion of Washington runs deep."
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.228e42c5948115405d6f3ec5d1ad6b50.1a1&show_article=1

It's OK to disagree yet this ochlocratic system is fashioned after his mentor Chavez. And as for the insurance companies bleeding the public dry....they are free to do so. What we don't want is clay and iron making a league with death. Also, everyone knows that the media is slanted to Obama.

Excerpts from:DEADLY DOCTORS
ADVISORS WANT TO RATION CARE
By BETSY MCCAUGHEY

"THE health bills coming out of Congress would put the decisions about your care in the hands of presidential appointees. They'd decide what plans cover, how much leeway your doctor will have and what seniors get under Medicare.

Yet at least two of President Obama's top health advisers should never be trusted with that power."

"Start with Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. He has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research."

"Emanuel bluntly admits that the cuts will not be pain-free...."

"Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, "as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others" (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008)."

"Emanuel, however, believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96)."

Chat more soon....gotta go to work

Excerpt From:
Downgrading American Medical Care
June 9th, 2009
By Betsy McCaughey

"Also slipped into the emergency stimulus legislation was substantial funding for a Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research. Studying which medication or device works best is obviously a good thing, but comparative effectiveness research is generally code for limiting care based on the patient's age.

Economists are familiar with the formula already in use in the U.K., where the cost of a treatment is divided by the number of years (called QALYS or quality-adjusted life years) the patient is likely to benefit. In the U.K., the formula leads to denying treatments for age-related diseases because older patients have a denominator problem -- fewer years to benefit than younger patients with other diseases."

Read More....
http://www.defendyourhealthcare.us/lesscareamspectator.html

The health care bill isn't about better health care or trimming cost. It's about a loss of american freedom, identifying non-conformers, mixing iron and clay and positioning america to lead the nations in a move towards globalism.

Pinky asks, "What are we gonna do today Brain?"

Brain, "Same thing we do everyday, We want to provide healthcare to the world!".

Hi EWick,

Glad you joined! In response to your post....
Why this house?

You may have already received better response posting your topic in one of the threads. In anycase....I'm sure you'll find this a great place to network, and exchange ideas. Looking forward to chatting with you.

The site in question looks like a spin attempt to me. And a poor one at that. Why go to a .org site instead of .gov?

It's funny in a way. Reading their info....they're saying, "Yea we're busted....Most of the claims against the plan are true.
So What! What can you or are you gonna do about it?"....lol

I even question the reason for the style in which the article is written. Starting each refute with TRUTH: Why not the normal True/False format? "What is truth?" Said Pilate...lol.......

Look for instance item on page 95. Where it talks about the commission conducting outreach.

We are already seeing what happens to desenting opinions. Who will be involved in this massive outreach plan aimed at the so called vunerable? No one is going to speak up for them as they are assimulated into the iron and clay mixture. What group of people will be next?

Look at item #253. Government setting wages for Doctors participating with this plan is a given. No need to refute it.

This bill is intentionally written in such a obscure way as to mis-lead the american public. One must be willing to cross-reference for ever and a day to fully understand it. Why is this so, when we are living in the greatest information age ever? Everything is written in reference to something other than what the reader is currently reading.

We live in an age where knowledge abounds. The bill relies on tons of references. Why not hyperlink them in the text?

But looking at some the points refuted or clarified:

How about item #293. Would a payment reduction be considered a good thing or a penalty?

Or item #335...I don't like the idea of giving up the right to having the final say in what works and what doesn't work for me and my house.

Overall, I see something much bigger. I see government wanting to control all aspects of flesh. We should all be aware of what's really at stake.

Check out This Article in the New York Post. Make your own decision whether or not you want these types of individuals in charge
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm?&page=0

Here's the Bill:
http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

Here's the Bullet Format:

48 Important Things to Know about Obama’s Healthcare Plan – no matter what your politics might be, you had better read them very carefully! This is the TRUTH about ObamaCare!

Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner†will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None!
Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Health card.
Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and AmeriCorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review†is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
Page 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.†Yes, it really says that.
Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected.â€
Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
Page 253: Government sets value of doctors’ time, their professional judgment, etc.
Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on “community†input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing
Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
Page 379: More bureaucracy: Tele-health Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

How many of you have read a good portion of the health care bill?

I must admit, I coudn't sit and crack out 1000 or so pages of legal jargon at one sitting but, I did find a site with some bullet points, then I located a download of the bill. From there I've been chipping away at it. Anyway, I wanted to ask views from those who have read a good portion of the bill. Personally, I see this as a huge mistake.

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

Hi Kari, welcome to the Site! You and you're husband seem to have a workable plan. Just screen your tenants a lot better. These are times when there's an excess of decent renters in the market. Make sure that you have a system in place that will insure you obtain and retain the best ones. If there's anything I can do to help or adise, feel free to contact me.

Chat with you soon!

Hi Melvin,

Welcome to the site! Yep, this is a pretty special cyber-community. We're glad you joined!

Also Ted...., I second that vote for Josh! I've had the pleasure of talking to Josh a few times. He has always impressed me as one who is focused on providing a continual learning environment for individuals involved in some capacity of real estate.

Anyway....
Jump right in Melvin, tell us about you. What type of real estate stuff do you work on?