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All Forum Posts by: David S.

David S. has started 22 posts and replied 159 times.

Quote from @Greg Scott:

I do not like waterfall returns.  With waterfall returns, the motivations of the GP and LP will never be aligned.  I prefer deals where the syndicator gets a fixed % of the profits.  That is as close as you can get to perfect alignment between GP and LP.

Can you clarify your comment regarding waterfalls @Greg Scott ? When I think of waterfalls, I think of something like the LP getting say 1) a 7% preferred return 2) return of all capital AND then 3) the GP gets 25% split of all future proceeds/profits.  So when you say that you prefer the syndicator gets a fixed % of all the profits, are you suggesting you see better alignment with the GP just getting a straight split without LPs getting preferred returns? If so, how is that better alignment?

Aside from the waterfall, alignment for me also comes from the GP co-investing an amount that significantly above what he may get in acquisition fees. I see far too many having effectively no co-invest once you net out the acquisition fee.

Post: Is this a good deal for me? PLEASE HELP

David S.Posted
  • Investor
  • Bay Area, CA
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 43

A total cost of 6.3Mn over 23 units equates to 274K/unit...this appears unbelievably low for San Diego...I'd want to see full development budget detailing hard, soft and financing costs as well as month by month projections showing construction and lease up cash flows.

What's the 2.2Mn purchase price for? Vacant land or small property that will be converted to 23 units?

Also would need more background/history on Mike the Builder.

Post: SF Landlords: How Are You Handling the 5.2% Security Deposit Interest Rate?

David S.Posted
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  • Bay Area, CA
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 43
Quote from @Jamie Petraglia:

Yeah, it's pretty wild! A property manager brought it to my attention, and I looked further into it. Here is the link I found on SF.gov - https://www.sf.gov/reports/march-2024/security-deposits#inte...

They raised it from 2.3% the previous year! I'm not sure if landlords are enforcing this. I can't understand how they can be required to pay this if the banks don't even offer this rate with the recent rate cuts. 


 I would think most landlords, who choose to be landlords in very Tenant friendly San Francisco, would pony up the 5.2% knowing that the rate has gone up and down throughout time, unless they want to run the risk of their tenant's finding out and called out as being a bad landlord, being taken on by the very helpful San Francisco Tenants Union or taken to Small Claims Court.

Maybe there is a silver lining in California's recent change in security deposits that limit it to one months rent when it used to be up to 2 month's rent for unfurnished units and up to 3x for furnished units.

By the way, I took a look at your Company, https://www.getwhale.co/  Since your firm is only offering 4.2%, were you trying to market in San Fran before discovering the Rent Board rate?

I have been presented with an opportunity to invest in a Class A multifamily syndication in the Old Hickory Lake/Lakewood area of TN.

I am doing my own due diligence but would appreciate advice from others in the local area given all the new supply that has come on recently and still to come in the Nashville metro area.

My understanding is that this submarket is not that affluent but there is a lot of development going on, is right “in the path of progress” and would offer an experience for Class A renters that is unique from all the downtown development. So the potential for appreciation over the mid to long term should be strong.

To start, I'd do a Discounted cash flow analysis and cap it like a regular income producing rental....do you know the rent the tenants were paying in the two sales you showed?

Post: Insurance on $1M multifamily?

David S.Posted
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Quote from @Dave Charron:

Just wanted to see what others are seeing for insurance rates?   I have a 13 unit under contract for just under $1M and my agent is quoting me $4700/yr with $2500 deductible.  Property is in Upstate NY


 That quote does seem reasonable. Curious, why you are choosing the 2,500 deductible? We saw an 85% increase in our premium this year and because of this, we are choosing to go with the highest deductible we feel can live, effectively choosing for catastrophic purposes only.

With insurance premiums for apartment properties increasing so dramatically in recent years, I am leaning towards trying to save some costs by increasing my deductible to the highest deductible possible. For example, I could save about 18% by increasing the deductible from $5,000 to $25,000. While that is a huge jump in deductible, my thinking is that we should avoid submitting any claims anyways since that would likely result in premiums being jacked up the following year or even droppage of coverage.

Does this make sense? Are there other issues I should be considering?

With insurance premiums for apartment properties increasing so dramatically in recent years, I am leaning towards trying to save some costs by increasing my deductible to the highest deductible possible.  For example, I could save about 18% by increasing the deductible from $5,000 to $25,000. While that is a huge jump in deductible, my thinking is that we should avoid submitting any claims anyways since that would likely result in premiums being jacked up the following year or even droppage of coverage.

Does this make sense? Are there other issues I should be considering?

Post: STR/MTR rentals via a management company vs LTR rental

David S.Posted
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  • Bay Area, CA
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 43
Quote from @Tony W.:

Sorry if this is a repeat question, but I could not find a match to my specific situation. 

I have a rental property halfway between San Francisco and San Jose in the center of the Bay Area (i.e. Silicon Valley). I am considering two strategies. The first is renting out my house to a company that, will in turn, rent it out in a mix of MTR and STR. The way the company works is as follows. For MTR I think they rent out rooms to companies that need to have employees in the area for a month or two. And for STR they use Airbnb and other such things. My other options is traditional LTR to a family or a group of people. In both cases I am only dealing with a tenant on a long term basis. And in both cases, I would be renting the property for the same amount. So I am not capturing any of the upside of the MTR/STR strategy. So the question is not about income, the question is more about hassle, wear on the property, damage and other such things.

Has the company been doing this a long time and is reputable? If so, I would be inclined to give this a try since California keeps changing the rental laws in favor of the tenant. In fact, can you share the name of the company since I am thinking of trying the MTR/traveling nurse route with one of our vacant apartment units in San Francisco.
 

Post: Ashcroft capital - Paused Distributions

David S.Posted
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  • Bay Area, CA
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Quote from @Bobby Larsen:

It's unfortunate that so many have been burned by this down market. I would just say that in the future, put more emphasis on sponsors and strategy. I, too, wish there were more regulation in the private placement space when it comes to sponsors and reporting. With a good sponsor, you won't even have to review each deal. You'll just know the box that they invest in and each deal will fit the parameters that they focus on. 

Second, make sure you understand the product quality that you're investing in. REITs invest in Core and Core Plus assets with low leverage and these previous comments are speaking mostly about sponsors that were focused on highly leveraged 1970s and 1980s value add. It's an apples and oranges comparison. If you like the stability and lower returns of REITs, find a sponsor that also invests in Core and Core Plus properties. They're out there and they will still beat the returns of REITs. I know many great sponsors that have never lost a dollar of investor capital.

Third, to @Amit M.'s point, understand the alignment of interest created by compensation. Too much back end compensation will lead to risk taking. Too much upfront and non-performance based recurring comp and there's no incentive to perform well (ie REITs). 

Fourth, avoid the new age internet marketing sponsors promising the highest returns. As with ANY investment, higher returns typically come with higher risks. There are many great sponsors out there (happy to provide a few) that have a long track records, have never lost a property, and know when to dial up or back leverage/purchases while still being able to provide 20-30% annual returns over the past 20 years and multiple cycles.

REITs are a great investment but primarily due to liquidity. The other concerns that you have voiced are very much valid but they can be mitigated with the right sponsor.


 Can you please share the names of these "many great sponsors out there (happy to provide a few) that have a long track records, have never lost a property, and know when to dial up or back leverage/purchases while still being able to provide 20-30% annual returns over the past 20 years and multiple cycles."?