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All Forum Posts by: Daren Card

Daren Card has started 3 posts and replied 17 times.

Post: Overcoming the Idea That Paying Off Mortgages Is A Good Idea

Daren CardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 6

This is a long thread and I only read the first page or two of responses. However, I wanted to add another resource to the discussion. I skimmed the rest of the thread to see if anyone else already mentioned this explicitly but does not appear so. Forgive me if someone has spelled this out already and I overlooked it.

Keith Weinhold talks about this conundrum a lot at Get Rich Education. He provides his perspective occasionally on his podcast (and has an episode where he talks about it in depth), plus he apparently practices what he preaches by minimizing equity, even in his personal residence (he says). Disclaimer: Keith does fall more towards "guru" on the spectrum and I wager he probably makes some good money off the referrals, etc. that are found throughout Get Rich Education. But that said, I think Keith does provide some really good information and conducts interviews that are worth listening to, so please look past the rest.

His views are summarized at https://www.getricheducation.com/why-home-equity-is-an-awful-investment/. To briefly outline, he advocates minimizing home equity because it's:

1. Unsafe: If your house loses value, the first thing it impacts is any equity you have in it. The hit to the bank comes afterwards, leaving the bank in a nice position with a decent hedge against value decline: your equity. So if you pay 20% towards a property and the value goes down significantly, it is just like losing that money. Of course, if you are holding for a longer period and can get past these dips, you are likely fine, but if forced to sell, you get nothing and the bank likely gets most of what it wants. Why not pass more of the risk to the bank by minimizing equity?

2. Illiquid: If you have equity beyond ~20% then there is some degree of liquidity, but it costs a fair amount of money, time, and effort to access that equity through a sale or refinance. If you have < 20% equity, in many cases you have essentially no access to your money unless you sell the asset, not to mention the added cost of PMI. I don't think anyone would dispute this.

3. Not earning anything: Whether you own free and clear or have a mortgage, the amount of rent you can charge on an investment property is the same. So having that equity gives you nothing more than having the property totally financed. Of course, the amount of financing you have will impact the cash flow after all expenses, but ideally, we are all buying right and ensuring we have decent cash flow. With leverage, ROI is likely much higher. This argument does not hold quite as much water for me as the other two, but he does have a point and in the interest in full disclosure, I'm providing this argument also.

I think the key to minimizing equity is ensuring that you have emergency funds or capital available if you lose a tenant, have a disaster, etc., which you should have to some extent anyway. I guess Keith's argument might boil down to the mantra: minimize equity and manage risk through adequate reserves/insurance. Perhaps you have the same amount invested in low equity and good reserves as you have in a traditional 20% down mortgage with minimal reserves. But with the former, at least those reserves are liquid, within your control, etc.

In my opinion, this is a strong argument for minimizing equity, but perhaps I am relatively risk-tolerant and willing to use leverage. It may not be for everyone, but I thought I would spell it out here for those who are learning or want to see another perspective.

Post: IRA $10000 -- Downpay Investment Property then IRA First home Purchase

Daren CardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 6

Great, thanks @Steven Hamilton II! The logistical gymnastics of pulling something like this off obviously aren't easy to handle, but good to know the strategy could work in theory.

Post: IRA $10000 -- Downpay Investment Property then IRA First home Purchase

Daren CardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 6

This is a great question and thread! I had this same question and good to know that if I buy a rental property that I do not reside in, I can still use this IRA exemption to use up to $10,000 towards the purchase of my own primary residence. Thanks @Brandon Cao and @Steven Hamilton II!

I'm going to resurrect this old thread with a couple of quick follow-up questions that may provide some valuable additional context to others:

1. Could my spouse and I individually purchase properties using this exemption with our individual IRAs? Ignore the awkwardness of living separately from spouse and assume we could logistically do that and were able to maintain separate primary residences after purchasing for a period of time. I'm just wondering if this could be done if you were able to identify properties and close on them simultaneously? Would it need to be simultaneous down to the second in order to avoid having one spouse technically own a primary residence very briefly before the second spouse closes, which invalidates the exemption for one spouse? Crazy hypothetical, I know, but wondering if it could be done.

2. Is there any limitation on the type of property? I'm guessing any 1- to 4-unit residential property will work like it does for FHA and other home-buying programs?

Post: Best way to purchase RE as a family?

Daren CardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 6

@Carl Fischer Thanks so much for the advice! I had secured general buy-in from family members on trying something like this, but we have not yet dug into the more detailed questions/points you raise. There are definitely some differences in mindset, financial position, etc., so it is important to make sure everyone is on the same page with a joint family business venture. Your alternative approach of having everyone get their own RE might be a good idea too that I can consider further.

Post: Best way to purchase RE as a family?

Daren CardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 6

@Lance Lvovsky Thanks so much for the quick guidance. That was the route that had occurred to me, though I have much more research to do on trusts. Good to know there are other options as well I can begin to think about.

Post: Best way to purchase RE as a family?

Daren CardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 6

I wondered if anyone had any guidance on the best way to deal in real estate as a family unit. I have pitched to my family (parents/siblings) a situation where we invest in properties that cash flow, with the goal of having a little bit of income to offset personal expenses (was thinking primarily of student loans of my siblings and I). Hope (pre-COVID19) was to go after BRRRRs (or close), which allows us to essentially trade the balances on student loans for the low/no investment on RE once we have enough cash flow to cover all payments for years to come.

Our family home is paid off, so my plan was to use any equity we can extract from that as working capital for acquiring properties. Currently it is in the name of my parents, who have owned it for a little over 30 years.

So what I'm hoping for is some idea of the best use of LLCs, trusts, etc. that allows my family to do this as a group. Whatever entity it is must be able to borrow against the equity in our family home, ideally without the complexity of transferring ownership or anything like that. Then the entity must be able to purchase, renovate, and lease/manage the new properties as a rental. Part of this process would be to (re)finance the rental as an entity to keep recycling the working capital from our family property. Lastly, the entity needs to be able to take the cash flow and distribute it to different family members in some reasonable way for personal expenses. Ideally, there is some legal separation between each member of the family and the entity for legal/liability reasons.

Hopefully that is all clear but happy to clarify further. I have some ideas of what might be involved - I suspect an LLC will be necessary but struggle more with whether a family trust is necessary. The situation of an existing family property combined with this new venture also might make this more complicated than if this were a brand new venture. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated and will allow me to be more prepared for working with a lawyer/accountant, which will certainly be necessary at some point.

Post: Options for a SFH residence turned rental with negative Cash Flow

Daren CardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 6

Could consider a lease option to bridge the gap to selling the property. Find someone who wants to own but can't due to issues with credit, etc. Charge small payment to activate lease and agree on an eventual purchase price maybe 3-5 years down the road. From what I hear about Jacksonville, it is appreciating, so that helps you, but perhaps you leave some meat on the bone to entice buyer to commit to future sale price. You're "tenant" then had a few years to become eligible for financing to buy the property from you by executing option.

Then continue accepting your monthly check at about what you are getting now. Benefit of lease option is that your "tenant" now has more of an ownership mentality and you can even contractually unload maintenance and capex expenses to him/her because he/she will eventually own it. Vacancy falls to 0 for duration of lease. So now you might even cashflow on the property with those expenses gone and you have your exit figured out too. Only issue comes if person does not execute the option and purchase, but you can just repeat this same strategy with someone else.

Post: A Turnkey Review: TCS Investments

Daren CardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 6

Hi all. Great thread to look through as a current TCS investor. Near the end of rehab now. People have commented on inspections and good inspectors. Would appreciate any recommendations anyone has for someone we could contact for our inspection. Better than scouring the internet and would be nice to have someone with some prior TCS exposure. Thanks!

No, unfortunately, no one answered the questions directly. Perhaps someone with some serious house hacking experience with a spouse might have some insight.

Post: Impact of LLC personal guarantee on personal mortgage application

Daren CardPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 6

I am working on beginning my real estate investment career with a group of like-minded acquaintances. We plan to begin with turnkey investments and are forming an LLC to hold these investments. We have capital but will need a hard money lender to help fund acquisition and rehab before we use a cash-out refinance to repay that hard money loan and move forward with a stabilized property.

We generally understand all this well, but we keep getting hung up on how commercial loans to the LLC may impact personal credit. Basically, most commercial lenders require a personal guarantee of the LLC loan by members of the LLC. There are existing questions on whether this impacts credit scores and it appears that it does not affect credit scores/profile unless the company defaults on the loan and they start going after the guarantees, which makes perfect sense.

Apologies if I missed it elsewhere, but what impact does a personal guarantee have on someone's ability to obtain a personal mortgage for their own primary residence? I'm assuming here that the LLC loan is not in default and there would be no reason for the lender to be pursuing payment from the LLC member guarantors. If one of us wanted to apply for a mortgage, does this guarantee on the LLC loan have any impact on underwriting? Do mortgage lenders even ask for this information or is the mortgage applicant required to disclose it without being prompted? Would it prevent someone from obtaining a personal mortgage or significantly reduce the amount they are approved for?

I'm sure different banks handle this in different ways, making the best answer "it depends". However, I'm hoping for some sense of whether this becomes an issue in practice. I'm guessing others have applied for personal mortgages soon after personal guaranteeing a commercial loan to their separate LLC. Did this come up during the application process and if so, how and did it make a difference?

Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide.

Daren Card