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All Forum Posts by: Davis Pemstein

Davis Pemstein has started 2 posts and replied 6 times.

Post: Strong CA equity, what would you do?

Davis PemsteinPosted
  • Realtor
  • Bay Area - Walnut Creek
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Dan H.:
Quote from @Ricardo Hidalgo:
Quote from @Davis Pemstein:

Hey Everyone,

Curious to know what you would do in our scenario. I love hearing the different approaches and the beauty is there is no perfect answer.


We own a SFH in Bay Area with around $600,000 in equity (principal residence, 2.5% rate). Selling another property for another $85,000 equity. We are considering selling everything and accelerating the portfolio expansion by simply renting and forgoing a principal residence, putting everything toward new deals. I'm less concerned about what to do after, given the variety of investing options but given CA rents don't cash flow without creativity, I'm curious if you would do something differently. Thanks all.


 Have you thought about exploring new market with similar appreciation that cash flow? 


 Curious what market do you feel has similar appreciation as the Bay Area?   In my opinion (and core logic’s numbers) there is no market with similar appreciation.  core logic shows San Francisco is top appreciation market since 1990, since 2000, and since 2010.  That is quite the trifecta.  

I’m not aware of the numbers but I would have to agree that Bay Area is tops for appreciation. But the point I’m trying to confirm is appreciation is only appreciation if you use it. Thus we’re realizing it and rolling into forced appreciation projects. These are all great perspectives! 

Post: Strong CA equity, what would you do?

Davis PemsteinPosted
  • Realtor
  • Bay Area - Walnut Creek
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 4

Great responses @Brad S. and @Becca F.. If there was ADU specific financing, that might be attractive (none that I'm aware of?). Perhaps a lot split with SB9 could work as well. My thought is this; let's say I do exactly what you're proposing. I have 1 or 2 units on my lot now both being rented, little bit of cash flow (consider how expensive R&M is here in Bay Area, 1964 build). It's a poor CoC deal and you're hoping for appreciation in the 2-5 year window. We can save a little each month to buy something in the midwest but it's at a snails pace.

We would rent in the same area, around ~$5k. That's the minimum going rate for families. The plan is to take $400-500K and purchase R-2 lots to build 5-10 units. Projected CoC is 30-50% pending how you structure the debt, reno costs, etc. This would be in CA.

You could do this one or two at a time out of state, utilizing HELOC but aggregate cash flow for certain cheaper markets, say midwest, is so small, the scale just doesn't make sense to me. We're talking $6-8K net in CA.

While I can agree with everyone that keeping a prized bay area property has grandeur, the opportunity costs, to me, appear very high.

Post: Strong CA equity, what would you do?

Davis PemsteinPosted
  • Realtor
  • Bay Area - Walnut Creek
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 4

Thanks @Nathan R Andersen. The obvious other choice is to tap into equity and go for BRRRR-like method repeatedly. $500 is a tall order to find, true net in this market, for quality neighborhoods.

The low down payment or even 20% down figures don't work with Bay Area rents. That's part of the motivation to move. It doesn't pencil. We'd be out of pocket for yearly R&M and then really under for CapEx costs when they show up.

I'm definitely concerned about leaving a 2.5% rate behind, which is my biggest mental snag. I'd love to keep it forever but then we're negative cash flow each month, plus the HELOC costs. But all good suggestions and appreciate the response.

Post: Strong CA equity, what would you do?

Davis PemsteinPosted
  • Realtor
  • Bay Area - Walnut Creek
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 4

Hey Everyone,

Curious to know what you would do in our scenario. I love hearing the different approaches and the beauty is there is no perfect answer.


We own a SFH in Bay Area with around $600,000 in equity (principal residence, 2.5% rate). Selling another property for another $85,000 equity. We are considering selling everything and accelerating the portfolio expansion by simply renting and forgoing a principal residence, putting everything toward new deals. I'm less concerned about what to do after, given the variety of investing options but given CA rents don't cash flow without creativity, I'm curious if you would do something differently. Thanks all.

Post: Seeking <25% Down Local Lenders

Davis PemsteinPosted
  • Realtor
  • Bay Area - Walnut Creek
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Dave Skow:

@Davis Pemstein-  1) most  renov  loans are  for primary residence  properties ...are you looking for  a reno loan for an inv property?


 Investment. I'm probably behind the times but I was told there were 15-20% down products with rehab available, even for investors. Hard or private money is always an option, yes, but was curious of the traditional route. 

Post: Seeking <25% Down Local Lenders

Davis PemsteinPosted
  • Realtor
  • Bay Area - Walnut Creek
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 4

Hi Everyone,

I'd appreciate some referrals of local banks offering less than 25% down for products involving BRRRR or renovation loans. Or perhaps many have tightened up their risk. Thanks in advance!