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All Forum Posts by: David Zimmer

David Zimmer has started 14 posts and replied 44 times.

Post: Refinancing without adding value

David ZimmerPosted
  • Tallahassee, FL
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 8

If I were to put 20% down on a property and then refinance shortly after with no significant changes to the home, would I only be costing myself the closing costs of the refinance? I know the BRRRR strategy usually involves adding value to the property to pull MORE cash out, but I'm looking at the downside or risk of using BRRRR without adding value. One property I'm looking at needs no significant upgrades.

I should have done a search. There is at least one other thread closely related to this one. But if any other concepts come to mind I'd love to hear them. I am in Florida for context.

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I am in the process of renovating and furnishing my primary residence townhome into a mid or short term rental. I've owned the property for four years. Does the fact that it is now my primary residence have any impact on what I can deduct from my taxable income? 

Also, this change will happen in the 2nd half of the year. In order to claim these deductions, do I have to have income coming in from the converted property for more than a certain portion of the year? Thanks for any help!

Post: House hacking with an investor

David ZimmerPosted
  • Tallahassee, FL
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Jason Maguire:

Hey David,

I'd love for a LO or someone else to weigh in on this, but I'm almost positive what your trying to do is illegal? If you are obtaining an FHA or a standard primary conventional loan for a primary residence, they are not to be structured like an investment property would & the bank would want to know that it's not an investment property.

Hypothetically, the partner could "gift" you the money in the shadows, but as i just said, you're technically buying a duplex with primary residence mortgage with better rates, down payment options, ability to house hack & i think what you are doing may constitute as fraud.

Definitely may want to check with a few other folks and go from there. 


I'm thinking along legal lines Jason :D This would be a situation where the full 20-30% was put down but one investor lived in the property. Although I do understand that the house hack is really more geared toward a lower down loan and the benefits that come along with that. I'm sure you're completely correct though as I don't think you can borrow much when doing a primary residence loan.

Post: House hacking with an investor

David ZimmerPosted
  • Tallahassee, FL
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 8

Curious how the financial arrangement is made if someone, for example, buys a duplex with investor #2 but only investor #1 lives in one of the units. Assuming both investors fronted equal amounts for down payment, closing costs, etc. Perhaps investor #2 is guaranteed 50% of the profit that would be made if both units are rented? I imagine this could be handled on monthly, quarterly or even yearly basis but sounds a little tricky to negotiate or present to a potential investor.

Post: House hack loan options with existing mortgage

David ZimmerPosted
  • Tallahassee, FL
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Celine Crestin:
Quote from @David Zimmer:
Quote from @Celine Crestin:

I am not a loan officer, but I believe as long as you are planning to move to the new property as your primary, you could use FHA again. However, conventional has two loan programs with 3% or 5% down that may also work for you. I would speak with your preferred lender of choice to see what options may be available to you.


Thanks Celine. I spoke with a loan officer the other day (more of a getting to know you and not talking specifics) but the idea with FHAs is that you cannot use an FHA like an investment loan. There are possibilities if you have a life change - like moving for work or a growing family. From what I understand, the best case is to go from a quad to a triplex to a duplex if using FHA as it shows you are growing into more space. Whereas going from a single family to a quad would kind of be going backward and underwriting would only see it as an investment. My hope is that there are other 5% down options.


Odd...I confirmed with my lender that as long as your owner occupying one side FHA is allowed and usable. :) Maybe your lender assumed you'd be renting both sides?


I believe that's the case when you're a FTHB. In that case you could do 1-4 unit properties with FHA. I'm getting clarification though and will post it here when I find out more.

Post: House hack loan options with existing mortgage

David ZimmerPosted
  • Tallahassee, FL
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Matthew Kwan:

HI David, What is your current loan that is still has the remaining amortization of 15 years? Yes you can definitely use FHA for multifamily if you haven't used FHA towards your first townhouse. Even if you do end up using FHA on your first loan, there are way exceptions that allows you to use 2 fha loans simultaneousl and also being able to use your fha rental income to qualify if your were doing househack on your townhouse. @Albert Bui @Carlos Valencia

 It's a conventional 15 year  - so actually I have 13 years remaining on it.

I think what I'm gathering is that there ARE 5% conventional mortgage options. I wasn't sure if the 3.5-5% down was FHA only. And as @Kass Farran mentioned, I'd prefer to do 5% for the PMI + UFMIP cost benefits as the 1.5% isn't a deal breaker.

Post: House hack loan options with existing mortgage

David ZimmerPosted
  • Tallahassee, FL
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 8

Thanks Kass. The primary benefit of the FHA being the smaller 3.5% down option? Or are there better terms otherwise as well?

Post: House hack loan options with existing mortgage

David ZimmerPosted
  • Tallahassee, FL
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Kass Farran:

Moving into the duplex as your primary could qualify you for a conventional loan which should allow for 5% down payment. Not sure how lender overlays work if it is a multi-unit. 

How long have you been in the 15 yr mortgage on the townhouse? Do you have any equity built that would lend itself in this situation that you could source as a down payment? 

Thanks Kass - yes I have a good amount of equity in the property and currently have a HELOC with about 50k available to me.

Post: House hack loan options with existing mortgage

David ZimmerPosted
  • Tallahassee, FL
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Celine Crestin:

I am not a loan officer, but I believe as long as you are planning to move to the new property as your primary, you could use FHA again. However, conventional has two loan programs with 3% or 5% down that may also work for you. I would speak with your preferred lender of choice to see what options may be available to you.


Thanks Celine. I spoke with a loan officer the other day (more of a getting to know you and not talking specifics) but the idea with FHAs is that you cannot use an FHA like an investment loan. There are possibilities if you have a life change - like moving for work or a growing family. From what I understand, the best case is to go from a quad to a triplex to a duplex if using FHA as it shows you are growing into more space. Whereas going from a single family to a quad would kind of be going backward and underwriting would only see it as an investment. My hope is that there are other 5% down options.