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All Forum Posts by: David Ten

David Ten has started 4 posts and replied 15 times.

Post: Looking for Lender High

David TenPosted
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Quote from @Logan Singleton:

Hi David, Is the property in question your primary residence? 


 Hi Logan,

Yes.. I still live here.. 

Post: Looking for Lender High

David TenPosted
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Hi BP,

I want to access My Home Equity. I need the money to build 4 separates Bedroom on My Backyard. So I can rent it out.

But, My DTI is high. Because I only use my W2 income. My spouse have nontaxable income deposits to our bank every month.

Send Me your email, I can email You the details.

Thank You

Hi BP,

For the last about 2 weeks, I talk or emailing with a lot of Agents or Officer to funding My Project. After I told them or I emailed Them details of My Numbers and details,  And I found some typical Agent :

1. There are Agents politely tell and feel bad they can not help me with My Project

2. There are Agents Just Ghosting, Gone, No get back to me,  Nothing, Just Gone, Like Casper.

3. There are Agents politely Referral Me to other company or other program they thought it will help Me.

4. There are Agents that Forcing Me to accept me  to one program than the other, even though the Math is doesn't add up.  

5. There are Agents forcing me running my credit, even they know they don't have the program for My Project.

Lol..

Just sharing.. 

Share your experience with the Agents, in the comment below.. :)

Quote from @Benjamin Aaker:
Quote from @David Ten:
Quote from @Benjamin Aaker:
You need to work on the debt side of things. Start getting it paid down. The car would be my first look. Put in a call to the bank that has your current mortgage. They will be more likely to be second lien on the mortgage because they already have the first. You have to give them a solid plan for how you will pay them back and they won't be likely to put much weight into the money from your family. Income will have to be from the new backyard bedrooms. Write it all up like a business plan and give them your best shot.

 Hi Benjamin,

Thank you for the comment,

That is great idea. Do you know how can I get the data / or calculate about rental projection demand in the area ? 

Property managers should be willing to help you for this. As long as you plan to contract with one for your deal, you can explain your plan and ask about market rents for your area and criteria. A cheaper way (but less accurate) is to use websites like Apartments.com or rentometer.com. Another way that is more work, but the best info, would be to call around to local apartments and ask about their rent. If they have a wait list, then the demand in the area is higher.

 Got it.. thank you.. ill check on that..

Post: Room Rental ?

David TenPosted
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Quote from @David M.:

@David Ten I would make sure your zoning allows it.  A 4 bedroom structure in your backyard (so assuming there is at least a single family structure on the property) w/o kitchen or common areas (is that what I'm understanding) starts to look like a "hotel" to me.  And, if people double up or so in a room, you've got a lot of people.  In some areas, after a certain number of persons of the same gender, you are classified as running a different sort of "business."


Hi David,
Thank you for your comment. that is good advice. I will check with the zooning.

Post: Room Rental ?

David TenPosted
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Quote from @Colleen F.:

@David Ten  you also want to check into any unrelated person ordinances and what would make you hit the threshold for having a boarding house license if there is one.  You would do much better with rooms with private baths but it depends on your community and housing options. If the cost is high rooms can do fine.  You could consider turnover as rooms may have more turnover depending on your area.

Hi Collen,
Thank you for your comment and for your advice, I will check on that license.
Quote from @Jephte Augustin:

Turning your garage into living space is not as difficult as you think. I believe it is a great strategy for those who are looking to get into real estate investing using a home they already possess. You can transform a space that you merely use for storage into a cash-flowing rental to subsidize your mortgage, your bills and other household expenses.

My journey to house hacking

In Spring 2022, my neighbor mentioned he had started renting out the Accessory Dwelling Unit (ADU) on his property on AirBNB. When he shared the numbers with me, I knew instantly that it was the opportunity I was looking for to start my real estate investing journey. You see, we lived in a great market that offered ample opportunity

1) There are three major universities/colleges within a 5 -mile radius. College students and their parents were constantly visiting the area.

2) There are two major hospital systems within a 10-mile radius. Traveling nurses and other medical professionals are in demand. As a matter of fact, my family moved to that location because my wife happens to work at one of those major hospitals.

The issue is we didn't have an ADU as my neighbor did. Around the same time, BP started posting YouTube videos of the ADU Guy, Derek Sherrell (see video below) which planted the seed of converting my garage into livable space. My garage was a similar foot print; he shared the blueprint he followed; I was sure I could do this.


But self-doubt crept in: Could I do it? Would my wife be onboard with that idea? How would I finance it? What if this business doesn't work? I had failed at multiple business ventures before. 

All these questions swirled in my head as I contemplated this project. I came up with the framework below for making the decision to pursue the project. I'm hoping this framework helps you out as well.

1) I assessed impact of garage conversion on the value of the property

2) I determined whether it is legal to convert the garage into a living space.

3) I assessed the financial viability of the project with available sources of funding.

Assessing impact of garage conversion on the value of the property
Before I started, I assessed whether the garage conversion would be advantageous for us. I reached out to a real estate agent asked the following questions:

When I'm done with this project, and after adding 400 square feet to my house

Question 1 - What can I expect it to sell for if I decide to sell?

Question 2 - What do similar houses that have a garage sell for?

In my case, my real estate agent ran comparables that showed the sale price of a house without a garage could justify the investment, meaning the amount I was planning to invest plus the current value of the house was less than or equal to the ARV. Furthermore, the difference in sale prices between houses with garages and those without was minimal. These two factors were strong indications that we would gain additional equity, and maybe even increase our net worth.

While it might be tempting to think that there is no way a house with an extra mother-in-law suite will be less valuable than a house with parking, it is worth making sure that you will have adequate equity when the project is done, and that you are not overbuilding the house.

Assessing the financial viability of the project with available sources of funding

I ran this analysis by comparing my net worth before and after the project was complete, with estimated values is whether my net worth increased when I move the dollars in my bank account into the property. If the funds are in HELOC, a retirement account of some sort, run a similar analysis.

Net worth = Assets - Liabilities

In my case, I made sure  value of my house increased (Asset) relative to the funds I took for a cash-out refinance I did to access the funds for the renovation (Liability). The goal was to increase my equity into the property by more than the cash I took from the house. I can share numbers in a different post.

Determining whether it is legal to convert the garage into a living space.

I contacted the city planner to determine whether the construction was allowed. I wanted to know if there were restrictions that would keep me from making the conversion of the garage. I was informed that Accessory Apartments for a member of the family was permitted, and that they have to be located within the dwelling. What that really means that I can't claim the suite as a separate apartment (a.k.a. not a duplex); I could not add a range/oven for cooking. That was ok with me since we weren't interested in converting the house into a duplex anyway; we just wanted a space that was separate from the main house to rent out.

All these factors worked out and led us to make a move to do the garage conversion. We currently rent the unit out as an MTR during the slow season and an STR during the spring and summer.


 Hi,

Nice share. I just about to start doing it, but in my case is not allowed converting garage, but...

I am allowed to build living space / residential accessory (bedroom) without permit as long following the building code and not greater than 120 SQFT / accessory. But I'm little bit frustrated right now about the HELOC for funding, because My DTI.

Post: Room Rental ?

David TenPosted
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Quote from @Clara Arroyave:

Comps = comparables in the market

Comparable rent for a whole place versus a room rent in your zipcode/nearby. 


Hope that helps!

Ohh got it.. thank you  
Quote from @Matthew Kwan:

hi David,

You can either go towards DSCR where it does not require to use your income to qualify, where it only looks at the performance based of the rental property in a metrics of ratio. Or bank statements loan where lenders would only use 12 months deposits from your bank statements an average it out to calculate the income. Both of these programs can help qualify and obtain a loan for investment properties, but the tradeoff is that these programs have slightly higher rates than conventional loans.

If you are looking for lower rates which everyone tries to, you can always consider the traditional route of conventional loan where rates are typically lower 1-1.5% but you would want to make sure if your income/credit/assets can qualify for it.

@Carlos Valencia @Albert Bui


 Hi Matthew,

Thank you for the comment,

Yeah So far that is my mind. 

Quote from @Benjamin Aaker:
You need to work on the debt side of things. Start getting it paid down. The car would be my first look. Put in a call to the bank that has your current mortgage. They will be more likely to be second lien on the mortgage because they already have the first. You have to give them a solid plan for how you will pay them back and they won't be likely to put much weight into the money from your family. Income will have to be from the new backyard bedrooms. Write it all up like a business plan and give them your best shot.

 Hi Benjamin,

Thank you for the comment,

That is great idea. Do you know how can I get the data / or calculate about rental projection demand in the area ?