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All Forum Posts by: David Song

David Song has started 24 posts and replied 662 times.

Post: Why do people Buy Property in California

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884

CA, especially the Bay Area and other population centers, are great investment locations. The price is much more expensive than Midwest, but the yield or cap rate, particularly commercial properties, are similar to Midwest.

SFR may have a lower cap, in good area. However, if you are willing to go to the Central Valley, the price there are not much higher than the Midwest.

I only buy in CA, only in Bay Area.

Post: 1031 exchange from 2 properties into 1

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884
Thanks for the insight. I can certainly switch to a rental property. That is not an issue.

the question is how to coordinate the two sales and one purchase. if it’s too complicated, may just pay the capital gain tax.




Quote from @Bill B.:

You lost all hope at step 1. You can’t sell and buy a primary home, it has to be a rental. 

If you decide to sell anyway and buy a new rental you have to invest all cash or you’ll be taxed, so you have to put the $1.95M as a downpayment. 

You will have to list up to 3 properties that you plan to buy at least 1 of within 45 days of sale of property 1. You don’t have to be under contract. You can’t close on that property before sale of property 2. You can’t buy anything else except one of those 3 properties. If you fail to close you owe all the taxes. 

Because you live they are in CA you’re going to get hosed. They’ll make you file a form every year saying your replacement is still a rental or you owe all the taxes.  


Post: 1031 exchange from 2 properties into 1

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884

Planning to sell two investment properties in CA and buy one primary residence in CA.

Property 1 is listed and expected to sell in August to September timeframe (Around 150K long term profit, total sale price around 0.85M, no loan)

Property 2 is under renovation and expected to be listed in August-September, and close around October to November (around 400K long term profit, total sale price around 1.7 M, around 0.6M loan. ~1.1 M in cash).

What is the best time to buy the replacement property? Under 45 days, I need to identify replacement property. Does that mean I need to be under contract for the replacement property? Or just put an offer into it? What if the offer is not accepted?

The replacement property value should be 0.85+1.7=2.55M or above? Can I still get a loan for this property? If so, do I have to put all the cash (i.e. 0.85 + 1.1 = 1.95M) from the two escrows into this replacement property?

Also, what if Property 2 is sold after Day 45, when the replacement property is already identified for Property 1?

Any experienced 1031 exchanger can provide some insight into this scenario? Greatly appreciated.

Post: SF Bay Area housing market show strange rebound

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884
Reno is an interesting market, not far from Lake Tahoe.

what kind of property can get around 6-7 cap in Reno? 

Quote from @Jake Andronico:

@David Song

What a great position to be in! Congrats!!

Depends on so many factors: 

- What it yields

- What you're trying to achieve

- What headache factors you're willing or not willing to have 

- What tax implications come from selling (and if you have to replace your debt in a 1031 exchange)


With 1.7-1.9mil that would be a 6-10 unit out here in Reno, NV that with cash could produce probably a 6-7 cap with upsides in rents. 

SF is obviously a super strong appreciation market and it will likely continue that way and bounce back (in my opinion).

Best of luck to you no matter what you decide!


Post: SF Bay Area housing market show strange rebound

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884
I am considering either sell or rent. If sale price is over 1.6, likely t sell. If below 1.5, will likely to keep renting out with main house and ADU separately, around 7 k/mo.

If I sell it, will likely just pay the long term capital gain tax.

Quote from @Wilson Lau:

Competition is definitely high on the buy side, and I see more and more buyers coming in as we approach the summer season. What's your plan with the proceed? Are you planning to do a 1031 exchange or a trust deed to avoid/ minimize the property gain tax?


Post: SF Bay Area housing market show strange rebound

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884

The rebound came suddenly amid still very high interest rate environment. Sold price above list price over 200k is normal again.

I am considering putting a house in South San Francisco onto market recently. Bought in 2020 for 1.02 m. A few weeks ago, I was estimating around 1.5-1.6m. Now, it looks like 1.7-1.9 m. This house is under some renovation with an ADU addition, after 4 years of rental. Debating whether to keep it as a rental or just unload.

Post: Investing in Blue States > Investing in Red States

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884

I have only invested in sf Bay Area. No experience with red state investing.I did spend 5 years in columbus, Ohio. I prefer SF area over Ohio for REI.

this is not about politics, but about investment return. SF Bay Area has been the most profitable location for REI in US for the last 15 years, during which I invested. Assuming I spent the last 15 years investing in Ohio, the investment return would be significantly lower.

I will continue to invest in SF Bay Area, not in the city of SF or Oakland though.

Post: Effect of lower interest rates on market prices (trick question)

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884

The housing price will increase significantly in 2024 in the Bay Area.

The inventory level in San Mateo county and even east Bay Area has dropped to historical low, even though the price has not increased significantly.

This dramatic reduction in inventory is a strong precursor signal of rapid price increase.

For example, in foster city, the active SFH inventory today is down to 1 from 20-30 range.

In Hayward, the active SFH inventory dropped to below 30 from 50-100 range.

There is a huge number of buyers waiting to get into the market. With a simple projection of future rate stability or possible reduction, they have started to jump in. This has happened already, as indicated by the dramatic inventory reduction in December 2023.

The increased supply will be limited in my opinion, especially in CA due to property tax considerations.

My crystal ball says 2024 will be a high price appropriation year.

Post: I made LA/Ventura & SF/Bay Area Underwriting tools you can use

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884
Looks like you are doing some really interesting stuff, and best wishes.

when I make a buying decision, here is the process

1: focus on a few zip codes or cities, with about 10-50 active listings. In my case, Hayward, foster city, 94401, and 94080

2. focus on the lower price range SFH

3. search for outliners

4. visit the house and examine interior and neighborhood, determine ARV, repair cost, comparable, and rental potential

5. prefer Two exit strategy should work, both flip and rent/hold. 

6. determine offer price and negotiation strategy.

7. offer



Quote from @Steven S.:

After feedback here and elsewhere, I realize developers already have a method of acquisitions that works for them. I made a tool for developers to use in acquisitions, people who are doing and making decisions that matter constantly. Those two don't mesh very well, lots of friction & seemingly pointless on their-end to try and change what they are already doing since it is working. But that's who it is really built for. So from this app's/product's perspective, it's either best for a new-to-the-game flipper/wholesaler, or developers who want to get more efficient and scale their internal ability to review property & the respective market confidently, they will be highly interested and have near-frictionless interactions.

I realize these two options yield a small market for ample & proper use. My question to the developers on here is: Do you check the market before buying, and if so, how do you do it?


Post: Debt Investment offer

David SongPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Redwood City, CA
  • Posts 675
  • Votes 884

Not enough collateral. LTV too high. You can easily walk away and the investor stuck with a vacant house.