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All Forum Posts by: David Martin

David Martin has started 6 posts and replied 14 times.

Post: Looking for a Mentor

David MartinPosted
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 5

Hello! I’m interested in finding someone older, wiser, and more experienced than myself to develop a mentorship with. I’m looking for someone who can give general financial advice, has real estate investing pedigree, and can help steer me towards the right decisions given my current financial and life situation.

As for me, I live in Baltimore, am 28, work as a software developer, love to cook, bake, and play volleyball, and am eager to get into real estate investing :)


Quote from @Travis Timmons:

@David Martin No problem...I've been there. It's going to be harder to get up and going than you expect but likely easier to manage once you are launched. Feel free to send me a DM if you have any questions or think that I could be helpful.


 Thank you so much! Really appreciate it and will likely take you up on that in the future. Enjoy the rest of your day!

Quote from @Travis Timmons:

I can't speak to partnerships...just not something that I have experience doing. As for setting up a short term rental, I have done that.

1. It's going to be death by a thousand cuts after you purchase the house. You going to bleed cash and spend a lot of money furnishing a place. Make sure that your parents (and you two) fully understand that. It's going to be expensive, stressful, and you'll have a "this better work bc we're spending so much money" pit in your stomach for a few months. @Trent Reeve can attest to that as well.

2. You need to figure out if your parents are equity partners or just a lender. Don't do a hybrid. You can base the payback on monthly payments or a percentage of profits. I'd recommend a higher percentage of profits until they are made whole on their initial investment. Like 50%+ of profits until they get their $20k back, then it goes to 20% in perpetuity, principal plus their interest rate, or until they get 1.5-2x their investment back (or whatever seems fair). Or if they are equity partners, they put in 33% of the money, they get 33% of the whole pie - profits, equity, etc.

If it just takes another $20k to get you up and going, how much longer will it take you to save that amount of money? I'd prefer waiting an extra year to get started over partnering with family...just my opinion and personal preference (which is worth what you paid for it). 


 1. Thanks for this reminder -- very easy to get caught thinking that once the house is purchased we're off to the races.

2. Got it, lots of ways to go about this but I see why not doing a hybrid makes sense, and even moreso why it might be worth waiting to have that extra cash for ourselves and not have to worry about the complexity of a partnership. I appreciate your thoughts! It's clear you have some good experience in this area. Thank you!!

Quote from @Trent Reeve:
Quote from @David Martin:
Quote from @Trent Reeve:

so they are providing 33% of your upfront capital, but only see 20% of profit? also, i would think it would be reversed. they are providing the capability to purchase, so they should see equity but maybe less profit if they arent involved in day-to-day. 


 I see your point, the only reason I was thinking about giving them a cut of the profits over equity is because they care more about cash flow at this point, given that they'll be on fixed incomes when they retire.


 I can see how that may be preferable to them, I would say have a couple of options for them. If they take the profit route, i would expect more than 20% (again, based on them providing 1/3 of your starting capital), especially if you are getting all the equity. 


 Okay agreed, 20% is low. Thanks for your responses! Appreciate your time :)

Quote from @Trent Reeve:

so they are providing 33% of your upfront capital, but only see 20% of profit? also, i would think it would be reversed. they are providing the capability to purchase, so they should see equity but maybe less profit if they arent involved in day-to-day. 


 I see your point, the only reason I was thinking about giving them a cut of the profits over equity is because they care more about cash flow at this point, given that they'll be on fixed incomes when they retire.

I'm looking for advice on how to structure partnerships in general. I'd like to bring my parents into a STR deal where my wife and I would present the majority of the up-front capital and handle all of the management, and my parents would provide additional seed capital to get us above a 20% down payment. Since my parents are at retirement age and would benefit from having extra passive income, I'd like to bring them in on a percentage of the future profits, but don't know what cut to give them based on the partnership.

For example, if I provide $40k and they bring $20k to the upfront costs, would it be fair to give them a cut of 20% of the profits but no equity since we'll be doing the management?

Also, how do taxes work in this situation? If, with the above example, my wife and I take 80% of the profits, is that the only taxable income in our case, and therefore all we have to report?

Thank you!

Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @David Martin:

You can purchase an owner-occupied property with less than 5% down. You need a place to live. Why not purchase a property with two or more units using the low-down option? Occupy one, rent out the other(s).

Scott Trench started with a fourplex. He rented the three other units, a spare bedroom in his apartment, and he even rented out his primary bedroom as an AirBnB and slept on the couch to maximize his return.


 Agreed, thanks Nathan! Multifamily units are tricky to find where I'm living, especially in areas that are safe to live, which is why I was considering this method rather than a tried and true house hack. I'll keep doing some digging, though. Thanks for your time!

Quote from @Eliott Elias:

You can put 15% on conventional and 10% on hard money. There are private money lenders out there who have lower down payment options as well. 


 Good to know. Thanks, Eliott!

Quote from @Andrew Freed:

@David Martin - I second @Nathan Gesner feedback. Househack a multi and you can get in with a lot less down, as little as 3.5% with a FHA product. Why pay 15-25% down for a property when you can get a primary residence and get into it for cents on the dollar? Additionally, you might as well have your "rent" go towards your mortgage paydown rather than someone else's.

Lastly, if you are going to go the Airbnb model, just make sure the property has another exit strategy. For instance, it should make sense as a long term rental and a Airbnb to reduce your risk. Airbnb has seen some declines since the recession hence you don't want to be locked into that that one strategy and realize it doesn't cash flow after the fact. 


 Awesome, thanks Andrew! The main reason I haven't been considering a house hack is a dearth of multi-family units where I'm living and it not being a very popular area for Airbnb. I'll do some more digging -- I can see how that's the most efficient use of my capital. Thanks again!

Awesome, thanks Reid!