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All Forum Posts by: David Lao

David Lao has started 15 posts and replied 59 times.

Post: Buying rentals in Mobile, Alabama. Need contractors.

David LaoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Oakland, CA
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 25

I am strongly considering buying rentals in Mobile, Alabama. Do any of you have recommendations for licensed contractors? Realtors? Lenders on homes worth under 100k? TIA. 

Post: Posting short-term rental property permit on listings

David LaoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Oakland, CA
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 25

@Andrew Street@Andrew Street @Carolyn Fuller @John Underwood @Nathan Gesner @Alex Papai @Joshua Kitlas

Thank you all so much for your feedback! This question that I asked is a part of my due diligence. I'm erring on the side of caution as you all recommended and am thinking long-term.

Post: Posting short-term rental property permit on listings

David LaoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Oakland, CA
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 25

I'm looking into getting a short-term rental property (AirBnB) in the next 1-3 months.

According to Nashville's website (https://www.nashville.gov/depa...) "Short Term Rental Property operators are required to post a picture of their current permit to all listings online."  However, I see a lot of Nashville listings that don't post the permits on the listings.  To what extent does this get enforced? 

I am also wondering how well other STR rules get enforced in other cities, like Las Vegas, NV. Do you operate a STRP? What are your thoughts?

Post: Depreciation to offset W2 income

David LaoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Oakland, CA
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Chris Levarek:

@David Lao I see what you are trying to accomplish. However, unless you can purchase that property yourself, it seems like a mute point. What is more often the case for those seeking large depreciation, is investing into a larger deal 20+ million giving 50-100% bonus deprecation on 100k investment. Meaning in year one, someone receives 50-100k in depreciation. This is a much easier feat and very much doable if depreciation is your goal. That same 100k wouldn't even tap into a 1 million dollar property with value-add. Simplify, simplify, simplify, I say. Just depends on what your end goal is out of the investment.

Thanks Chris for the reply, and the goal is tax efficiency (for example, so that a spouses's W2 would have little-to-no federal income tax until retirement). I thought about these multi-million syndication deals before, and probably have a surface level understanding of them compared to you. Although being a limited partner on a large syndication could lead to a lot of depreciation in the beginning, a lot of these syndications have exit strategies that don't involve 1031s (at least as far as I understand), so the depreciation usually gets recaptured in a few years when the property is sold. There's still the time-value of money aspect benefit, but I was looking into these non-syndication deals where I'd have full control of deferring taxes via 1031s until death (assuming 1031s still exist in the future). For this reason, I find that the compounding effect for syndications is inferior. I definitely have the impression that being an LP in a syndication would be the path of least resistance though. Please feel free to tell me that I'm crazy and disagree with everything that I wrote. :P

Post: Depreciation to offset W2 income

David LaoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Oakland, CA
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @David M.:

@David Lao

holy gee, what a thread...

Residential real estate is depreciated on a straight line 27.5 yr basis.  Right, avoiding cost segregration blah blah which usually isn't worth it in residential properties, AND assuming your other costs equal the rents, AND your legal spouse can qualify as a Real Estate Professional (according to the IRS definition) so that you don't ahve to worry about the passive activity loss rules that start phasing out the $25k limit at $100k and finish at $150k...

1Mil of improvements (remember you can't depreciate land) gives you $36.363k of depreciation annually.  I do agree above that $100k of gross taxable income should equate to some smaller number of taxable income after standard deduction, etc..  But, you can easily scale from here given all the other assumptions, which I assuming that is what you are asking with this hypothetical question.  Again, its not the value of the real estate he has to hold, its the value of the improvements portion of the real estate that he holds.

 I was hoping my question would lead to an interesting thread, haha. So based on what you wrote, 2.75M of improvement value can wipe out 100K of taxable income (assumptions: RE professional designation, net rental income of zero excluding depreciation, & "straight-line" depreciation over 27.5 years). Does that sound about right to you? Thumbs up if you agree, or comment if you disagree~

Post: Depreciation to offset W2 income

David LaoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Oakland, CA
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Chris Levarek:

@David Lao Quite simply, if you make a 100k, you are paying 30-40k taxes on a typical W-2 salary. To achieve this, you need to be married or file jointly with a real estate professional and thus have 30-40k in depreciation, not 100k. This is doable, it just takes one person filing taxes to qualify as a real estate professional and find some investment that provides 30-40k in losses from the investment.

This is entirely doable. If of course, your life and personal situation complies :) I have done this for three years now.

For this thought exercise, let's assume the RE professional requirement has been met, and that the net rental income (excluding depreciation) equals $0.

Isn't 100K of gross taxable income less 30K of depreciation equal to 70K of taxable income (i.e., 100K-30K=70K)? 

Going back to the original question, "What value of real estate holdings would he need to have enough depreciation to offset $100,000 of gross income (assuming he does not buy commercial real estate)?", 30K of depreciation (assuming the depreciation is not front-loaded via cost segregation), could be obtained from 825K of improvement value (or 1.18M of real estate investments assuming a 70% improvement value). This seems unusually low, but maybe I misunderstood. Thoughts?

Post: Interpretation of 8582 Special Allowance for Rental RE Activities

David LaoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Oakland, CA
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 25

"Special Allowance for Rental Real Estate Activities

Active participation. If you actively participated in a passive rental real estate activity, you may be able to deduct up to $25,000 of loss from the activity from your nonpassive income. This special allowance is an exception to the general rule disallowing losses in excess of income from passive activities."

What does this mean? What's the difference between "nonpassive" and active (W2) income? Is this saying that there are special cases in which up to $25,000 of passive losses can be used to deduct from a W2 income?

Post: Lender Says he can call note due at any point!

David LaoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Oakland, CA
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Shivam Patel:

@David Lao

Ahh yes 75%* I forgot for non primary. Hmm learned something new about points. I don't fully understand the matrix that you're saying. Are basically saying like you can figure out the perfect points you should pay to get best interest from a spreadsheet matrix online?

 Very simply, yes. There are tables out there that can guide you on the number of years it would take you to break even from the additional points (and decreased interest rate) that you choose to pay when taking out the loan. 

Post: Lender Says he can call note due at any point!

David LaoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Oakland, CA
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 25
A point is equal to 1% of the borrowed loan amount, so each point of a 100K loan is 1K. Lenders make money off interest that they charge, but are willing to decrease your interest rate if you are willing to pay them some money upfront (the "points"). My understanding is that lenders have a matrix that they use to to determine how much the interest would decrease by based on how many points you pay. Buyers can also access a matrix to determine a break-even point in which it makes sense to pay the points -- it depends a lot on how long the borrower plans to hold onto the property and how much the interest rate decreases. Sometimes it makes sense, and sometimes it does not. You can model it on a spreadsheet based on the info the lender says, or you can rely the shortcut of looking for a table online, but it might not be fully accurate. 

Originally posted by @Shivam Patel:

@Lalit Khanna

Hey I was curious how do points work?

Post: Lender Says he can call note due at any point!

David LaoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Oakland, CA
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 25
I'm not sure exactly where people are getting the info that you only need to put 20% down for a conventional loan when buying a 4-plex. My understanding is that 25% down is needed. Here's my reference: https://singlefamily.fanniemae.... The loan officer from Caliber Home Loans who helped me with the purchase also told me that as well.

Shivam, yes, my payment would have been lower without the MIP.  In my case, the difference between the FHA and conv. loan would have been ~7%, which at my 1.1 M price point is almost 100K that I would have tied up in equity. It was also money that I wanted to use to rehab the unit that I am staying in, and also as a buffer if I lose my main source of income. I ended up modeling the scenario in which I reinvested the 100K that I did not have tied up in equity at a modest 4% interest per year and found that it made sense in my situation to take out the FHA loan with 82% LTV with an FHA loan at 2.25% (+1.00% MIP) instead of 75% LTV with a conventional loan at 2.75% -- (FYI: 0 points in both cases).

 
Originally posted by @Shivam Patel:

@David Lao

Wow you got an amazing rate! That's the lowest I've heard of so far, that's amazing. I'm curious, Why was it more advantageous for you do fha 82% LTV vs conventional 80%. Wouldn't your payment be significantly lower without MIP?