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All Forum Posts by: David I.

David I. has started 7 posts and replied 24 times.

Post: Off Market Four Plexes

David I.Posted
  • Banker
  • Louisville KY
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9

@Jaron Walling thanks - good info I’m in sales so not afraid to knock or call! Thanks for the tips!

Post: Off Market Four Plexes

David I.Posted
  • Banker
  • Louisville KY
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9

Hi all, looking to move up to multi- family from SFR rehabs and rentals I have been doing. The good multi that hit the mls in my area are gone within a day. Looking to start with four plexes.

Are there any websites you use or techniques to get in touch with the property owners of existing such properties out there to see if they would ever consider selling?

Thanks!

Post: Moving up to Multi family from SFR

David I.Posted
  • Banker
  • Louisville KY
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9

Back to my original question- do you find the tenants more difficult to deal with in a 4 plex or multi family, are there more headaches since there are multiple units versus a sfr.  I guess a property manager takes care of most of this? Thanks. 

Post: Moving up to Multi family from SFR

David I.Posted
  • Banker
  • Louisville KY
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9

Thanks for the reply and info. $1495 is my latest sfr I rehabbed and it’s in a great area.  I’d say my avg sfr is $1200.  The $600 is probably on the lower end for a multi in my area, in a good area probably would get $800-$900 at best. These are smaller units.  Bigger complexes would be on your $1000+ range.  
And those 4-6 plexes do sell literally within hours of hitting the mls. 

I guess it really depends on a good property manager.  With the increased cash flow that would help with the calls and headaches 

Post: Moving up to Multi family from SFR

David I.Posted
  • Banker
  • Louisville KY
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9

So have 5 SFR's under my belt and handle most of it myself - they are all in good areas of town and knock on wood I have had some pretty good tenants. Things go wrong but they have been understanding and I have people that help with plumbing or other issues.

I want to move up to 4 plexes but hear horror stories of course. I know the tenants in a 4 plex are paying less than in a sfr so you are getting different types of tenants. Also I know many may be out of work or making less due to covid 19 so I have to assume 4 plex tenants who didn’t make as much before may be making less now or have possibly been laid off.

But even before that I just know from deductive reasoning the tenant in a sfr I’m collecting $1,495 a month from is going to be different from the 4 plex tenant I collect $600 a month from.

I know sfr are easier to sell if need be and have greater appreciation. However know the cash flow is potentially much greater on multi.

I want to expand and keep going. 4 plex then 6-8 plex, eventually heck a 100 plex.

Help me get past the doubts? Thanks.

Post: Handyman fees too high?

David I.Posted
  • Banker
  • Louisville KY
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9

Oh I agree, you’re absolutely right. I should have gotten an estimate and will going forward, but I trusted the guy to do the right thing here on a bathroom job.  After this same thing happens three or four times recently it gets really old.

Post: Handyman fees too high?

David I.Posted
  • Banker
  • Louisville KY
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9

Appreciate the comments, I’m not against paying someone for their work at all.  But the guy consistently does not give me an estimate just a vague cost answer and I always get surprised which I think is bad business. This is just a bigger surprise than the past ones.


I’ve got him set up to do a full remodel on a house I just purchased and I flat out told him I cannot have any more surprises.  It was hard to get any kind of estimate on this one too. Makes me very nervous and want to get someone else to do it. Estimates are going to change as the work progresses sometimes and that’s fine but just let me know when it happens.  

I work in banking and if I operated that way and told my customers what the rate and fees were the day of closing I would not be employed for very long!

Post: Handyman fees too high?

David I.Posted
  • Banker
  • Louisville KY
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9

Thanks Kenneth..yeah I think this is going to end in a divorce. I simply can’t keep using him never knowing what the final bill will be.  I know estimates can change but that’s not how you do business. 

Post: Handyman fees too high?

David I.Posted
  • Banker
  • Louisville KY
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9

Hi all Ive got 5 properties now, I usually buy them at 70% of value, renovate and then cash out for the next.  I’ve got a handyman I’ve worked with for about a year now, he at times can be a little expensive but normally he’s very prompt and fixes things if they go wrong. Here’s the issue:

I had a bathroom in a current rental I was refinancing for cash out. The tub was not in good shape nor the tub surround. Since it’s a rental - my first thought was to reglaze the tub ($200-$300) and put up a surround - the kind you buy at the box stores for $300 or so. 

My handyman talks me into doing a new tub says the cost of a generic tub isn’t much more than reglazing.  I ask him how much this will cost - he does this often - he tells me prices of the parts but is vague on labor. He also goes ahead and buys a $600 surround without asking and puts it up. 

Now he gets into the removal and says he has to unmount the toilet to get the tub out. Ok. He says there’s some small water damaged wood underneath the tub. Ok. He has to replace one row of bathroom floor tile that was up against the tub. Ok. 

He also buys the wrong size tub not once but twice but finally gets it right. 

Long story short - end of the madness he charges me a little over $1000 for parts and just under $2000 for labor.  I flat out told him a 200% markup for a bathtub and surround seems extremely out of the norm. Unless it was a major remodel - his past labor charges are like 30-40%.  I also told him this is why I asked 5x what the bill would be all along but he never would give me a number or estimate except for parts. 

So he wants $3200 for a tub and surround in a 5x10 bathroom in a little normal rental property.  

When I questioned the bill he got very defensive and said he doesn’t make a lot on the work he does for me.  I flat out told him he’s got to give people a legitimate estimate before he does work  I never would have agreed to $3,200 for this little bathroom tub.  

This has happened before but never at this price point.  

Am I out of line here or is he? 

Post: Tenant is a painter but...

David I.Posted
  • Banker
  • Louisville KY
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9

Have to - it's a BRRR project