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All Forum Posts by: David H.

David H. has started 5 posts and replied 158 times.

Post: Attn: SBA Disaster Loans for Landlords

David H.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Portland, ME
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 231

@Troy Bailey

You can still apply for the grant even if you did the old app

Go to covid19relief.sba.gov/# to apply

Post: Attn: SBA Disaster Loans for Landlords

David H.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Portland, ME
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 231
Originally posted by @Steve Kontos:

I had the same issue as @Derek Jones.  They never asked for any documents to get uploaded.

Hi Steve, 

Please see response just sent to Derek. The new process seems to have postponed the requirement for documents until after the initial "streamlined" review. Likely the SBA will reach out to you if more documents are needed. This process was created to get the $10k grants out the door quickly to those affected.

Post: Attn: SBA Disaster Loans for Landlords

David H.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Portland, ME
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 231
Originally posted by @Andy Bui:

@David Hulit

Thank you for helping with this loan process.

I have rental properties and have a question on the EIDL disaster loan application.

What should I put for Business Activity? Real Estate?

Detailed business activity? Property Management?

Hi Andy,

I can't say for certain, though my best guess from looking at the application process would be to select real estate and the property management drop down. Though it likely would be fine to select the "other" or "not listed" option as well.

Unfortunately the application was largely designed for standard small businesses not rental property owners. 

Post: Attn: SBA Disaster Loans for Landlords

David H.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Portland, ME
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 231

Thanks Jack! Happy to be of service in any way to this great community! Just repaying the favor that you all have provided for me :) 

Post: Attn: SBA Disaster Loans for Landlords

David H.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Portland, ME
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 231
Originally posted by @Derek Jones:

I don't see a spot to upload any documents during the application. Am I missing this or will they request this at a later time?

Hi Derek, 

I believe they are requesting it at a later time. To streamline the process and get the grants out the door they rearranged the application process. From my understanding a case manager will reach out to you if more info is needed.

Best of luck! 

Post: Attn: SBA Disaster Loans for Landlords

David H.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Portland, ME
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 231
Originally posted by @C. Scott Forrest:

Hi Roy,  Wow - that's a long queue!!!  Sorry, but this site does not allow phone numbers to be posted.

I wanted to add that to get the normal loan with usual terms (3.75% interest, no payment for 12 months) the person helping me just wanted to know my gross revenue for the year 2019.  She asked if I had done my taxes and I said "no", so she figured out the loan based on the numbers I gave her.  I believe they are under direction to make this as easy as possible, so don't have a heart attack when the usual red tape doesn't show up.  I've also been finding that EVERYONE is nicer to deal with right now.  It's amazing to see what we are capable of in tough times.

This is incredible insight. Thank you!

Please everyone read this before freaking out to much over the paperwork.

Post: Attn: SBA Disaster Loans for Landlords

David H.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Portland, ME
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 231
Originally posted by @Chad C.:

@David H. what does it specifically say about the PPP not being available for people that don't have a payroll? Here is the bullets from the US chamber of commerce . The 8 week expenses would not be marginal to me. I would prefer the grant but this is enticing. I do think the eligibility info for the two sba offerings often gets mixed.



You are eligible if you are:
• A small business with fewer than 500 employees
• A small business that otherwise meets the SBA’s size standard
• A 501(c)(3) with fewer than 500 employees

the next two look like it could be for business owners with no employees

• An individual who operates as a sole proprietor 
• An individual who operates as an independent contractor
• An individual who is self-employed who regularly carries on any
trade or business
• A Tribal business concern that meets the SBA size standard
• A 501(c)(19) Veterans Organization that meets the SBA size standard

Hi Chad, 

The PPP loan is not eligible for rental property owners as far as any of the banks have been made aware at this point.

The PPP loan may be eligible for sole props with no employees, but not rental property owners.

If you have a small business that isn't a rental, sure go for it. I can tell you upfront that the PPP loan is going to be a struggle and the loan forgiveness is based primarily on payroll so I don't see the point in taking that loan if you have no payroll. Especially since the PPP loan is a 10 year term as opposed to a 30 year term. Granted the PPP is completely unsecured, but again, its not eligible for rental property owners, so not relevant for the majority of this website. 

Post: Attn: SBA Disaster Loans for Landlords

David H.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Portland, ME
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 231
Originally posted by @Nat C.:

@David Hulit

Can non US citizens apply?

Hi Nat, 

I am not 100% sure of this answer. My thoughts are, if this follows preceding SBA guidelines, non-US citizens could apply as long as they have a green card and complete and INS verification process, which will likely require a few documents.

Best of luck!

Post: Attn: SBA Disaster Loans for Landlords

David H.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Portland, ME
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 231
Originally posted by @Roy Gutierrez:

Hello,

Just came into this thread, I have 6 Airbnbs, all hard hit by corona. I'm finishing my taxes as we speak (2017, 2018 yes very late!) so I can apply for a cash out on a house I just rehabbed, really need to pull the money so I can survive but as luck will have it the corona hit, seems the refi might get more complicated because of the taxes and the current situation. What are my options for this program? Is it possible to get a loan with my house as collateral? If so up to how much do they lend?

Thank you very much in advance!

You may have very limited to no options because you are only now finishing your 2017 2018 taxes. That will be an unfortunate consequence of the very late filing.


As I understand, if you were eligible, they would calculate for rental property owners the loan amount based off of your projected or realized losses of rents due to the disaster. The first $25,000 is unsecured, above that they would require real estate as collateral, though they wont deny a loan for lack of collateral.

Please keep in mind, these funds must be used for specific purposes and cannot be used for business expansion. The SBA should have a list of approved uses of proceeds available per a quick google search.

Post: Attn: SBA Disaster Loans for Landlords

David H.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Portland, ME
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 231
Originally posted by @Nicholas LaGatta:

How are you all estimating "Rental Properties (Residential and Commercial) Only - Lost Rents Due to the Disaster"?  I won't really know until after rent is late in about a week.  

Also, I have 2 refinance transactions going on right now.  If I apply and SBA does an inquiry against my credit, won't that raise red flags with my refi bank and potentially cause issues?  


I believe that the estimates would be a reasonable projection if lost rents due to the disaster. If you suspect 3 units vacant for 3 months I would just do the math and input that. Cant say for certain but that would be logical given the circumstances and options availible.

In regards to the refinances I would highly suggest contacting your lender. I cannot say for certain if the SBA will pull against your credit, though I would assume so. Also, if. you worry it would raise friends with your refi bank I would ask rather than risk it.