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All Forum Posts by: David Hite

David Hite has started 14 posts and replied 40 times.

Post: Help deciding on type commercial tenants!

David HitePosted
  • Commerce City, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 6

Thanks all for the responses!

Tough call IMO.  

The time value of the build out cost is tough to ignore!  Especially with COVID going on, that would free up alot of capital to keep my other businesses viable with capital free to inject.....

Dont know what I'll do yet!

Dave

Post: Help deciding on type commercial tenants!

David HitePosted
  • Commerce City, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 6

Good insight.  Very true that will see the tenant every day going to work...

 The opportunity cost goes into that as well, am I ok with a less professional co tenant but walk by every day knowing I saved 250k.  Tough.


my wife and I are going to visit one of his other locations tomorrow to get the feel

Post: Help deciding on type commercial tenants!

David HitePosted
  • Commerce City, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 6

Good afternoon all!

So, I build a commercial building from the ground up that finished May of 19'.   I occupy 50% of the building (~3,000 sq ft) with my Medical/Optometry Practice.  I built the building to have ~3,000 sq ft of tenant space available.


With Covid and other things, nibbles on potential tenants has been far and in between, but recently have two very interested parties....and I am not sure which set up may be better long run!

I left the 3,000 tenant space as warm-dark shell, so tenants could customize if desired.


#1) Tenant one is a national franchise of UPS.  Owner has two other successful locations with little personal/business debt.   They only want half the space (it is build for up to two tenants), and they need it brought up to vanilla shell, then some TI dollars on top of that.  10 year lease, and they will be paying a higher base rent, enough that I will recoup my vanilla build out and TI allowance over the 10 year lease.  I figure a UPS store would be a great co-tenant, as most people tend to go to a UPS store at least every 1-2 years....so basically everyone in my area will see our business as they come to the UPS store.   Having them would leave me with the other half un-tenanted for now.  I would plan to just go ahead an vanilla shell the remaining half while I'm at it (surprisingly few people want the ability to customize their space, they want it to start as vanilla).  I feel like a UPS tenant would attract other tenants quicker as well.

#2) Tenant is a local business owner, who is opening a 2nd location of their business which has been successful since creation3 years ago.  He wants the entire 3,000 sq ft space AND is willing to front ALL the build out cost to bring it to his specifications, and in return he will have a lower base rent (since no build out/TI to recoup).  His business is a Pet supply/Dog Grooming/Self-Dog-Wash business.  I visited his other location, and it is neat/tidy, not smelly (there were not alot of people there).  While he was looking at our shell he was already talking about putting the animal portion of the business on the opposite side of the property, so furthest from my space, and double insulating the walls, extra ventilation etc....he seems like the noise/smell is something he wants to try and eliminate as his first space didnt do that as well.  There is the concern with animal's doing their business....and we would likely have to convert an area in front and back to be designated for that use.  There is no animal overnight boarding, just drop off's for grooming and pick ups later.

Going with #2 would literally save me ~$250k in vanilla shell, TI allowance, broker fees etc.... all up front.  I have the money, but I could use it elsewhere to invest from the get go....where with #1 the money will be recouped over the lease.   The lower rent would also end up with a lower commercial value however, because the lower base rent with 3% increases ends up being alot less then the UPS would be over the 10 years with increases.


So, financially, #2 is a slam dunk.

I am concerned with the type/prestige/quality of the co-tenants.  I feel like a UPS store would bring a wider range of people near my practice more often, and would likely be able to attract a better 3rd tenant.  I am concerned with the animal nature of #2 and potential problems there.

What are your thoughts?  Potential problems with a pet supply/grooming tenant who takes the whole space and pays for everything!  Or UPS that costs more, but may be more beneficial for traffic and building future value?

I appreciate it!

David Hite

Post: Deed trust vs note fund

David HitePosted
  • Commerce City, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@David Hite

Nice find!  So was the loan amortized or does the payee have a balloon payment?

It was amortized. So a late life loan will have "less interest" paid. But, it really didn't make a difference in the ROI that I received. The ROI that late in the note life really comes from the discount that I purchased it at. He has even made a few double payments, which just increases my ROI since I get that discount $ back faster.

Now, its the only note I have purchased, so my N=1 doesnt give me a lot to compare. But I like the end of life notes, a longer paying history, so you can tell if they are solid, sellers are willing to do more of a discount since they have already gotten most of their interest back on the note, and the purchase price is lower....so you can do more of them. I believe this note UPB was ~13,000. A lot easier to deal with than buying a 100k note.

Now that being said, you have to reinvest those earnings sooner than with a larger note, which may pay over 10+ years

Dave
 

Post: Deed trust vs note fund

David HitePosted
  • Commerce City, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@David Hite Did you ever fund a promissory note or did you go with the note fund?

I did purchase a performing mortgage note on single family home out in West Virginia. Did a lot of research on the borrower themselves. Has been paying like clockwork every since. I purchased it at near the end of the life of the note (less than 36 payments left), purchased at ~10% discount. All in all it has been producing ~14% ROI since I purchased it.

  I plan to keep purchasing, but of course other life events have prevented me every time I seem to get enough to purchase another note!

Hope that helps!

Dave

Post: Buying Notes in Bankruptcy

David HitePosted
  • Commerce City, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 6

thank you!

Post: Note purchase, UPB and "Estimated Payoff"

David HitePosted
  • Commerce City, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 6

Awesome!  Thank you both!

Post: Note purchase, UPB and "Estimated Payoff"

David HitePosted
  • Commerce City, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 6

Thanks Bob.

So, use the UPB to make sure it will work with the numbers, but the estimated payoff difference is an added bonus!

If the note runs to maturity, it would be paying down the UPB only according to the schedule. Will the arrear fees etc.... then be paid off on the back end as a one time payment, or continue with normal payments until that is paid off? Or will we only recover those fees in case of a refinance, payoff, or foreclosure?

Thanks

Dave

Post: Note purchase, UPB and "Estimated Payoff"

David HitePosted
  • Commerce City, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 6

Ok... so how about the original question in those cases?

Dave

Post: Note purchase, UPB and "Estimated Payoff"

David HitePosted
  • Commerce City, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 6

Ok so a reperforming note?  Or what about a note in active BK with payments being made?