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All Forum Posts by: Dave Price

Dave Price has started 3 posts and replied 17 times.

@Gerald Pitts

Yes, this is what I was basically asking. So the key is to start creating income on the first and second property as fast as possible to get that income on my yearly taxes. This will help in getting the lenders to consider that income to better my DTI.

Thanks!

@Account Closed

Very true, that first one is a big one because if you're taking losses or not cash flowing as much as you expected than you're dead in the water for the second.

As long as the first one cash flows what i'm expecting then I will purchase the second one under my wife's name.  That will give me some time to get enough time that lenders are asking to show income on the first to then start thinking about financing the 3rd under my name.

@Ken Boone

Yep totally understand what you're saying.

I'm just putting some financial scenarios together incase I do like it and what I need to do to be able to position myself to scale it up.

Originally posted by @Ken Boone:

Depends on your current DTI ratio. Some lenders will look at your income on the new cabin but most won't until it is reflected on a tax return. With COVID in place some lenders will NOT look at your rental income period for the DTI.

I got burned by that a few months ago and they didn't hit me with that until the 11th hour.  Had to find a different place to get my loan  - one that would look at the rental income of my STRs.  You really have to shop around.  All lenders are different one to another based on what their underwriters will approve and company policies.

Yes if you purchase more than 50 miles away if I am not mistaken that can be a 2nd home as well.

Thanks for responding with some personal experience and some actual insight into what I was asking about!

Ok, so best case scenario if I bought a turn key STR in July 2022 and get STR income from September through December reflected on my 2022 taxes i could potentially find a lender to consider that income? If this works then I'm looking at about a year after purchasing my first one.

Current DTI before purchasing first STR is 25% but after the first my DTI will be about 42% if the STR income will not be considered.

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

2 years.

This was kinda of a before-you-do-anything question, rather than an after-I-bought question. 

Sorry man.

Maybe you can find some other kind of financing instead of conventional

I haven't bought anything yet.  I plan to buy my first next year and doing the planning now.  

I plan to buy my first STR (Cabin) in July of 2022 in the Northern AZ. I will be purchasing this home under a Conventional Second Home Loan for 10% down.

I was wondering how soon after purchasing the first STR can I count the income from that STR to better my DTI in order to qualify for the next STR?

Is there like a 6 or 12 month period that you got to show consistent income from the first STR to be able to count that income in your DTI ratio?

Also, if I plan to buy the second STR in another Vacation Market (Lake Havasu, AZ) that's 300 miles away from the first would I be able to finance the 2nd one at 10% down since it is in a different market?

Originally posted by @Gerald Pitts:
Hi Dave,
I'm not a lender, but my understanding is that you can only do it once per market.  That seems to be what you are referring to, where you have to do an investor loan for every property after the 2nd home loan.  You can start the process again in different markets.  


Originally posted by @Dave Price:
Originally posted by @Darren Looker:

@Michael Elefante

I love your story! Thanks for sharing.

Forgive me if I didn’t notice a post covering financing in depth.

I'd like to point out that when you buy a property in another market for use as a short term rental, you can designate it as a vacation property and only need to pay 10% down. You'll have to pay PMI but this makes it easier to get started.

Any subsequent property can also be a vacation home if it is 65 miles away. This might spread out your assets into different markets and make it harder to manage but could grow your portfolio quicker 


@Darren Looker

Is there a limit to how many of these "Vacation" properties you can buy at 10% down?  I was under the impression that you could only use this once (Second home Loan) with a conventional lender and anything after your principal residence and second home loans it will have to be an investment loan with a minimum 20% down.

I'm interested to hear more about this please

Makes sense, so if you purchased a vacation property in different markets more than 65 miles from your principal residence than you can do it numerous times at 10% as long as you're not purchasing in the same market.  Thanks for the insight!

Originally posted by @Darren Looker:

@Michael Elefante

I love your story! Thanks for sharing.

Forgive me if I didn’t notice a post covering financing in depth.

I'd like to point out that when you buy a property in another market for use as a short term rental, you can designate it as a vacation property and only need to pay 10% down. You'll have to pay PMI but this makes it easier to get started.

Any subsequent property can also be a vacation home if it is 65 miles away. This might spread out your assets into different markets and make it harder to manage but could grow your portfolio quicker 


@Darren Looker

Is there a limit to how many of these "Vacation" properties you can buy at 10% down?  I was under the impression that you could only use this once (Second home Loan) with a conventional lender and anything after your principal residence and second home loans it will have to be an investment loan with a minimum 20% down.

I'm interested to hear more about this please

Originally posted by @Michael Baum:

You are welcome @Dave Price, remember that you don't have to get a CPA local. For example ours is located in Spokane WA. That is about 300 miles away, closer to our lake house in Idaho. 

YUes good point, I'm looking within State of AZ but not necessarily within my city