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All Forum Posts by: Dave Lee

Dave Lee has started 2 posts and replied 7 times.

Post: T&M General Contractor in Los Angeles?

Dave LeePosted
  • Investor
  • La Canada Flintridge, CA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 3

Situation has now turned into a nightmare.

I learned that the team was charging me more hours than they were actually working (ie., arriving late but saying they arrived early).  It explains a lot of the slow work that was being done and the many delays.  Today the whole team didn't show up at all and I wasn't notified until the afternoon, and given the excuse that it was someone's "birthday".  They also broke a patio window and left the house open to the rain and possible thieves for 2 weeks without telling me.  The house is a mess right now without everything not completed, but I have no choice but to let this contractor go.  It puts me in a terrible situation where I need to fix everything, and also hire a new contractor.  I also have to re-issue permits and the city will make me pay for the re-issued permits.

Here's some initial lessons from this fiasco:

1. Avoid T&M contracts if at all possible, unless you can be at the site full-time supervising everything.

2. Check multiple references for the contractor and don't skip over this.

3. Don't feel rushed to find a contractor.  Rather, make it a priority and keep interviewing until you find someone you're really confident in.

Post: T&M General Contractor in Los Angeles?

Dave LeePosted
  • Investor
  • La Canada Flintridge, CA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Min K.:

@Dave Lee

Dave,

If you are 2hours away from the jobsite, T&M would not be efficient for you.  As mentioned above, you will need to be there (or hire someone to supervise) to monitor daily activity and track hours.  On top of that, there will be a lot of paper work and yelling.  End result is probably going to be a disaster looking at the amount of scope you have there.  I'd recommend obtaining a bid with detailed breakdown and schedule. You can email me if you need help with construction management as I do this for my client/tenant all the time.

Thanks,

Min

Thanks, Min.  I found a contractor on this forum (Manolo D.) and have been working with him and his team for the past 2 weeks.  First week as okay.  This past week we had some delays and challenges.  Hopefully we can work it out.  But I can understand what you're saying about needing oversight and good management.  I think it can be tough to motivate a team to work hard if they're on a time contract and w/o good oversight.

Post: T&M General Contractor in Los Angeles?

Dave LeePosted
  • Investor
  • La Canada Flintridge, CA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Michael Boyer:

Dave, I have short blog post on time and materials or cost plus versus fixed priced agreements, including  the notion of a adding a possible upset price or not to exceed amount. It may be a good starting point. Best of luck.

 Thanks, Michael.  Can you post the link?

Post: T&M General Contractor in Los Angeles?

Dave LeePosted
  • Investor
  • La Canada Flintridge, CA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Scott Carder:

"It isn't a big job", its a re-do of most of the house, its not going to be cheap. I would not do T&M, what if they drag it out slowly. Get a firm price and a contract.

 You're right. :)  It's basically a full rehab.  I'm hoping to find a good contractor so they won't drag it out w/T&M.  I've scoped out most everything already so that should help (ie., cabinets, floors, tiles, etc).

Post: T&M General Contractor in Los Angeles?

Dave LeePosted
  • Investor
  • La Canada Flintridge, CA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 3

Also, was wondering what to expect in terms of pricing for a T&M contract?  ie., 4 people for 7-10 days.

Post: T&M General Contractor in Los Angeles?

Dave LeePosted
  • Investor
  • La Canada Flintridge, CA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 3

Hi all, I've got a house I'm renovating in the Glendale/Pasadena area and I'm overwhelmed since there's a lot to do and I live quite far from the house (about 2 hours away).  Originally I was looking for a general contractor to bid on the whole project but after a couple of exorbitant bids, I ran across the the option of T&M (Time & Materials) contract.  I think that could work for me because it isn't a big job, yet there are a lot of small things to take care of.  I had a few questions though.

Here's the rough list of work needed:

1. Prep and paint 2100 sqft house

2. Install laminate floors in 1600 sqft, tile in 2 bathrooms, and tile outside in 450 sqft patio.

3. Remove current concrete/stone patio and pour new concrete patio (450sqft).

4. Demo kitchen, install cabinets, install countertop, kitchen electric, kitchen lights, kitchen plumbing (including saw cutting cement to run water pipes and electric).

5. New master vanity, add additional sink, new lights.

6. Repair exterior wood, seal exterior of house

7. Other misc.

I'm thinking it would probably take a crew of 4 people maybe 7-10 days to do this (???).  But I'm wondering under a T&M contract, would the general contractor send the same team for the entire time?  And would they do paint, floors, concrete, and everything?  Or would he send different teams for the different jobs (ie., paint team, floor team, concrete/demo team)?

Also, would love any other suggestions for doing a T&M contract.  And I'd love some referrals for the L.A. area (just post or PM).  Thanks!

Post: Buy and hold investor in La Canada/La Crescenta area

Dave LeePosted
  • Investor
  • La Canada Flintridge, CA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 3

Hi y'all.  I bought some properties in the last downturn in SW Riverside County and now I've bought a property in the La Canada/La Crescenta area.  Looking for a good general contractor in that area, as well as plumbing, electrical, roofing, handyman, painting, etc.  If you have any referrals, please let me know.  Thanks!