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All Forum Posts by: Darwin Crawford

Darwin Crawford has started 19 posts and replied 287 times.

Post: The True Cost of Yield....

Darwin CrawfordPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 296
  • Votes 243

“The True cost of yield”

Was the l captured off the g-chat window with my brother, after whining to him about some $hitstorm I created for myself, and had no one else to blame but the muppet in the mirror.  Long story short, I’ve been having my arse handed to me on the renovation of my first commercial building, and it seemed like the best distillation of the problem to date.  He’s good with brevity, that one.

Why write all this down?  Because I made a lot of boo-boo’s on this deal, and hopefully you can read this, take a couple notes, and save yourself a few bucks, a trip to two to the chiropractor, and lower your bartab.  If so, happy to have helped, and pay it forward.Its what life is about.  If not, sorry I wasted your time….drop me some hate mail written on the back of a hundred dollar bill.  My girlfriend will thank you.

I’ll keep the backstory short, as most of us know what a search function is, but this is my first commercial deal as a landlord, and is a master-metered, gross lease 8-unit office complex in my home zip code. If you don’t know what that means, let me translate: the proverbial pimple on the proverbial backside of the pretty girl from high school.  It also happened to be lender owned, and full of hairdressers.  Do yourself a favor, and google “The Crazy Hot Matrix Video”, it’ll save us all some time.

My grandiose scheme, aka “business plan” has so far been to leverage my not-insignificant construction resume to get stellar yields out of properties that traditionally have not done well, and therefore force appreciation.  Not exactly rocket science, but also not something to be taken lightly. Unfortunately, I am nothing but a jack-of-all-trades, and master of none, save perhaps selling things and a Stockholm Syndrome-like tolerance for pain and stress, both mental and physical.  Turns out that my model is a really $hitty one. Go figure.

So how did the title come about?  Without boring you with a ton of details, I began a renovation on a mostly occupied building, with a fairly educated budget, an arsenal of tools that would make Bob Vila jealous, a 360lb back squat max, and a belly full of piss and vinegar.  4 months later I am crabby, exhausted, carrying some credit card debt, consuming espresso like water, and just want to lay in a hammock for 3 days and drink myself to sleep until its time to lift weights again, and think about a better way to live.

The upside of this is that I now have a building with an $1840/month payment to a bank, and a $6120 rent roll, with fully updated, and insanely energy-efficient mechanicals, and hopefully about 3-5 years before anything breaks or anyone’s lease is up.  Sacrifices must be made for the greater good.  Based on that actually, I think I can afford to lay in a hammock for 3 days and maybe toss back a beer or two.

As my favorite derelict who used to hang around my old warehouse from the neighborhood used to say, “What had happened was was”……contractor turned out to be an incompetent, window-licking muppet, largest tenant moved out, rent declined for 2 months, my part time help all got hired away, and because I had the stupid idea that it would be easier to get all the work done myself and then go chill, I promptly burned myself out.This was accomplished by not much other than sheer willpower, and the lack of ability to delegate, implement systems, and the small fact that with 3 tenant suites added on top of my semi-ambitious-yet-I-Think-I-Can-make-it-work construction budget, my wallet became a small furry doe-eyed creature dropped into a pit of vipers.

So in the interest of sharpening the 20/20 hindsight that we are all blessed with, I figured I’d write all this down, and how I’d do it differently.  Unlike flipping, this type of project results in nothing more significant than increased cash-flow and a pile of paper equity.  No large checks from selling property for 2x what you paid (although on paper with the equity I created, my net worth probably doubled).  However, if you ask anyone in the commercial real estate world here in Scottsdale, I accomplished the impossible.  Before you think I’m bragging, let me tell you how dumb you had to be in order to think that was a good idea.  

Really. Effing. Dumb.

As in Don Quixote charging a windmill.  

It came with a cost of my health (kind of), sanity, personal finances (which I religiously sever from the RE business) and general overall well-being, not to mention my social life.All of which are worth more than that, and should have been respected.

What I should have done differently.  Oh man, this might get longer than Ron Jeremy’s….resume.

Construction is a tough game.  Its less tough when you stick to the plan, but as we all know, real estate is, at its core, a reactive business.  Periods of boredom peppered with moments of “oh $hit what do I do now??”.

In retrospect, the biggest mistake I think I made was not vetting out my construction help.  That was the proverbial flapping butterfly wing in China that led to the storm in my backyard.  Since I was in between jobs (aka W-2 employment), I elected to give myself 3 months of runway out of my savings (dumb, almost gone now) and just get it done.  Construction labor is tight, and I didn’t know that, but it sure kicked me in the wallet once I figured it out.  This was probably based on my overconfidence in what I would be able to accomplish with my own two hands, double-dumb considering that I evaluate and underwrite properties for my day job.  Whoops.

Rather than shopping hard for just cool materials, and going over the top on mechanical systems, I should have split my time to make sure I had equally good labor, and a back-up plan for when it went wrong.  Sure, a kick-a** tankless hot water heater is a solid call on a master-metered building, but the $85 I paid the electrician to do something I could have done was money far better spent.  I should have been napping or eating more spinach, and thinking 4 moves ahead.

If you have been here, you’ll know what I mean - the tail end of any construction project is what separates the joe-blows from the big guys, and I handled this one like a damn amateur, that is for sure.  Rather than touching up paint, hanging fans, or tossing bricks into a dumpster, I should have been supervising people and taking the time each morning to get organized, stick to my systems, make sure materials, tools and labor were on-site and on-time, and let the laborers handle the labor.

However, fear, and the fact that my budget had not enough cushion in it, led me to have to sacrifice my time, labor, and mental energy to handle things that should have been delegated and paid for.  I focused too much on the goal, and not enough on the process, therefore dragging it out, and making it that much harder.  Now, at the end of this, I have a small ($6k) hole to dig myself out of with debt, which sounds like a lot until I tell you that a sale of this place now would net me nearly enough cash to buy a nice single family home in my neighborhood, or when the time comes, put that magical 25% down on the 30-door apartment complex.

So anyway, use your brains more than your back, and life tends to work out better.  That's my $0.02 on this. 

Don’t be like me.  Your back will hurt.

Happy Investing!

 - Darwin

Post: My Energy Efficiency Project Thread, aka Eco-Capitalism

Darwin CrawfordPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 296
  • Votes 243

@Malcolm Boston - good stuff there, and definitely some points I haven't thought of. Part of the motivation on this one is that in order to stabilize the property and achieve DSCR, I had to pre-lease some space on 60 month gross leases to satisfy the bankers. So I'm stuck with what I have until they run out, but such was the cost of acquiring the place.

1) Water usage isn't very high, probably $50-70/month for the whole building, so sub-metering doesn't seem worth it to me.  

2) The way the building is wired (a mess and a half) would make sub-metering a nightmare.  Before I got the place, it was remodeled at least half a dozen times, and the wiring is a squirrels nest, circuits swapped from 1 unit to another, the whole 9 yards....  If I had a magic wand, I'd re-wire the whole place, but its cost prohibitive to do so at this time, and ultimately not worth it until I either refi in 5 years or put a 2nd story on it.  

3) there is natural gas supply on the street, but the building hasn't had service in 20 years, (I called the gas company) and re-establishing service is going to be costly and time consuming.  The mini-splits heat as well as cool, and are using a laughably small amount of juice in the process.  Given what my strengths are (I'm better with wires than pipes), the solar array with tankless heaters seemed to be the path of least resistance on heating water, and I've put a large tankless in with solar pre-heat to service my 3 heaviest hot water users.  

Couple questions - what is "makeup air"?  Never heard of that.  Ditto on Fenestration.  

I think you're right on making $ off the power, which is why I've elected to just do Gross Leasing and up the price.  Keeps things simpler, and with the built-in rent increases, it more than covers the reduced costs.  Also, this neighborhood and tenant base wants fixed costs, and seems to be willing to pay a premium for them.  

But....on this same note, I am looking at another building.....and its all separately metered!  Hooray!

I agree 100% with exhausting the energy efficiency upgrades before investing in PV.  Panels and inverters aren't cheap, and I don't gain anything by over-production unless I want to go really crazy with a battery wall setup.  

Thank you for chiming in, you seem like you have way more knowledge about this stuff than I do.  Appreciate the feedback!

Post: My Energy Efficiency Project Thread, aka Eco-Capitalism

Darwin CrawfordPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 296
  • Votes 243

@James Maradits - yes, I was really impressed with this tankless.  Wired it in yesterday, which was a pain in the butt, 120A breaker and 2ga wire is just tough to work with.  

I'll be working on tying in plumbing for the solar heater today.  

Side benefit to all this:  All 3 of these offices have rented within a month for asking price!  Tenant base seems to really appreciate nice new stuff, and everyone seems to like the "eco" approach.  

Although I did leave out the fact they are paying for it.....

Happy Investing!

 - Darwin

Post: How to be a better wholesaler. With FAQ's.

Darwin CrawfordPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 296
  • Votes 243

@Penny Thompson - thank you for the read and the support, and I hope this helps you on your journey.  Its certainly doable with some hard work and practice.  Just please educate and train yourself, if only for your own success and sanity.  

@Brandie Lyons - you hit it on the head.  There is a decent amount of complex math and research that goes into evaluating these deals, and you are very correct to keep your buyer's best interests at the forefront.  

@Steven J. - appreciate the feedback.  Agreed, I have a potty-mouth.  Believe it or not, I'm also very calculatedly passive on the phone.  Helps my closing ratios.  

For the record, I'm about the furthest thing in the world from a guru, and have never tried to sell my advice to anyone other than my employer, who happily pays for it.  As I tell everyone, I'm just another hard-working small-time guy in real estate investing, but I don't apologize for sharing my views and frustrations with the unprofessional elements.  And yes, wholesaling is sales.  Says so right there in the word.  Anyone who thinks otherwise has kind of missed the point.  

Post: My Energy Efficiency Project Thread, aka Eco-Capitalism

Darwin CrawfordPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 296
  • Votes 243

Gang,

Wanted to put an update on here, its been a minute or two.....

The mini-split units are in, and running like a top.  Electric bills are half of what they were, but the real test will come this summer.  

The solar water heater is on the roof, and we are plumbing this week.  Rooting around again on Craigslist here in phoenix led me to a pair of beautiful brand new tankless water heaters for $300 cash.  So they'll be fed from the solar water heater, which should ease up their workload a lot, and allow less electrical consumption.  Only kicker is that they require a 120A breaker.  Yikes!  Putting in a cheap filter on the supply lines to cut down on scale and mineral deposits on them.  

So far, looks like its all rolling along according to plan more or less.  Looking forward to closing the books on this reno, its been a lot of work and a pain in the arse.   But the next 5 years of low bills and no maintenance will be worth it.  

Happy Investing!

 - Darwin

Post: So you Wanna be a Landlord?

Darwin CrawfordPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 296
  • Votes 243

@Eric Johnston - happy to share, its what this place is for.  Sorry, I got zilch on house-hacking.   I rent my primary residence and own rentals.  The math out west is favorable to that.  I'll probably get flamed by someone for saying a primary is a stupid first investment, but whatever.  

If I lived in a cheaper, flyover-type market I'd feel differently.  But if I can make 10%+ on my portfolio and live for a gross 5-cap, I'll do it all day long.  

Post: So you Wanna be a Landlord?

Darwin CrawfordPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 296
  • Votes 243

@Eric Johnston - sorry, been on a little hiatus from here while renovating.....and thank you for reading the post, I'm glad it helped out.  

Re: commercial property - man, this is a different beast!   I originally wanted apartments, but after getting my butt kicked on every deal (lots of HNW individuals want them for tax reasons) I went bottom-feeding on LoopNet dot com and got lucky.  Took 9 months to find/fund/close.  Lost some hair off my head for sure.  I asked a lot of probably stupid questions, bought more than a few lunches for guys who are waaaay richer than I am in exchange for advice, and at the end of the day, kinda just said "F**k it, I'm jumping in"  I trust my own math. 

Lending on them is much more dependent on building financials, and your resume. Yes, you still need to be able to get bank loans, but its more about DSCR, LTC and LTV ratios.

Commercial is different as well due to the swings in the market, and the large investors that will take silly low returns.  Like 5.5 Caps here in Scottsdale for class B/C stuff.  Also - lots of people say that commercial/office is doomed, and going the way of the shopping mall (good riddance to those BTW), so you need to be even pickier on where/what you buy.  Is the business or potential business tenant going to get wiped out by Amazon?  What happens in the next downturn?  Do they walk on the lease and use their spare bedroom for an office now?  You gotta live somewhere, but if Apple could get started in a garage, then there really is no reason for an office.  

Costs multiply, appraisals are $3500+, the city gets more involved, parking becomes a thing, licensing, etc, etc.  Much more than just carpet/paint/rent.  Kinda forces you to grow up a little and be slightly more adult-like.  Leases are longer, more complex, CAM becomes a thing in your life, etc, etc.  Don't even get me started on fire suppression systems.  Jesus Pete they cost a fortune.  

Get your feet wet before you buy one.  Bottom line.  Or go work for a commercial management company for 12 months.  

Post: How to be a better wholesaler. With FAQ's.

Darwin CrawfordPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 296
  • Votes 243

@Richard D. - Well played on the Gary Vaynerchuk reference.  Very well played.  

Post: How to be a better wholesaler. With FAQ's.

Darwin CrawfordPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 296
  • Votes 243

@Jay Hinrichs - sorry about that, sometimes I'm a little slow on the uptake...however, I am very jealous of your experience with those land salesman - truly the golden age of selling, with Ogilvey on Advertising as the gospel, and all that other mother jazz, as Frank would say.  Actually played Alec Baldwin's monologue today for the office in the conference room - struck a note with a few of them you might say.  

@Chris Jackson - thank you for the input, and you hit that one out of the park!  If I recall, you and I actually spoke a couple of years back about some property in Syracuse, glad to know you're still doing well.  I 100% agree that wholesaling is sales, pure and simple, and is a far better strategy to offload deals you cannot afford to people you do business with, in a manner that benefits everyone.  It also costs money to obtain and maintain leads and deals.  More than most newbies have in their pocket.  

One of my co-workers actually mentioned to me today at lunch that we function more like agents without restraints, which I thought was a good way to put it.  

Agreed as well that this can be learned.  Sales is systematic, albeit some people are naturally born to do it.  I just really, really wish someone would tell the newbies how it is before they blow all their money.  It'd save us all time and headaches.  

Thank you both for your posts and inputs to this!  

Post: How to be a better wholesaler. With FAQ's.

Darwin CrawfordPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 296
  • Votes 243

@Jay Hinrichs - first off, I'm floored that you'd actually read anything I wrote.  I've read a lot of your content, and have a ton of respect for your business.  Lets just say I do take some notes from you.  So pre-emptive thanks just for giving me a look-see.  

The point?  I guess the point was to write it down, and get it out to the world.  Plus my brother and better half are bugging (encouraging?) me to write some of my experiences down.  And a bit of nice Pinot (oregon, no less) makes me want to share....

I use wholesaling as a job, to fund my rental portfolio, take the better half to dinner, and pay off the motorcycle.  While I agree with you that there is a small percentage of people who can do this well, I suppose that my chief object was to let people know that this isn't some get-rich-quick scheme, and that you don't need a guru, you need a plan and some education.  

I could not agree with you more on the Billy Bob post.  Definitely drives me up the wall.  If 5% of the people I met could define a Real Estate Asset, my life would be exponentially easer.  

I was told this, and used it in another article/post on the landlording forum - If you have no money, you can wholesale to start, raise the cash for a flip or two, and then buy a rental.  Sounds simple, but the execution is as complex as the shuttle launch.  And you better know what the F you are doing.  

Also, as I'm sure you know, wholesaling (or property providing, whatever you call it) is a business, and has to be run like one.  I'm not hating on the new folks, but I am pretty damn annoyed with the guru/facebook/youtube torrent of bull$h*t that drives this market.  When I see someone come from another nice career and want to try this, my soul dies a little on the inside. 

Anyway, I'll shut up now, but again, thank you for doing what you do.  It gives those of us coming up in the industry some much needed guidance to follow.