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All Forum Posts by: Danni Catambay

Danni Catambay has started 7 posts and replied 35 times.

My lender told me BB&T will lend to anyone -- to the point that some buyers won't even consider their preapproval meaningful.

But it could get you started.

You could also get a co-borrower.

I was in the same boat and my parents offered to float me with their credit. My mom's credit score is an eye-popping 812 (post application) and my lender was so happy that she told me my income was basically irrelevant to the process.

Post: House hack locally or BRRRR out of state?

Danni CatambayPosted
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@Costin I. That's pretty much my thinking.  Frustration is making my mind whirl. I have a chunk of cash that I've been trying to generate income with for years and I just wanna do something with it already...

But I guess I should take this self reflection and remember that negative emotions can lead to bad investments, too. 

Thanks

I always used craigslist. If I was in a hurry I'd do an open house, which worked well in Philthy and found me my best roommate ever who stayed with me for five years. 

Facebook, I hear, can also work. In Asheville everybody swears by the Riff Raff group because it has more community minded potential tenants. 

I've also done word of mouth when I was university affiliated. It worked...so-so. 

Post: House hack locally or BRRRR out of state?

Danni CatambayPosted
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Hi Bigger Pocketers,

I'm a new investor trying to make a whole bunch of things work all at once and I'd like to borrow your wisdom to help choose some priorities.

About me: I just changed careers to my dream job (yay!) but the pay is poor and I'm trying to supplement income with rental properties. I have plenty of cash saved for a down payment, but my own personal risk preferences means that I would like to keep my first real estate purchase under $200K. I am living in an over priced miserable apartment and I would like to get out of it ASAP.

About my local market: The area I live in (Asheville, NC) is a tourist/retirement hot spot. That means that median home prices are a solid $100K above what median incomes can afford. It also means that a "cash flowing" property makes about .75% of its purchase price in rent. Most homes under $230K are mobile homes, tiny homes, or in such a state of disrepair as to not qualify for conventional financing. A typical MLS listing might be a 1930's 2/1 for $160K with an estimated market rent of $1200 and at least one structural issue (leaking/cracked foundation, expired roof, insufficient septic, old wiring)

HOWEVER! In nearby Greenville, SC there are a host of properties that are newer, nicer, cheaper, and more in line with what a typical 1% rental property might present. Just a cursory search the other day turned up a foreclosure Zestimated at $95K with a market rent estimate of $1150/mo.

My goal is to take my chunk of cash, which is sitting in the bank doing NOTHING for me since I neither trust the stock market nor have the patience/spare nerves to deal with the government's HORRENDOUS treasury direct website, and make it start producing income for me as soon as possible. The way I see my choices now are:

A. House hack a local property that I would otherwise consider a bad investment save for the rent savings that I would make with it.
B. Continue over paying for rent, but buy an investment property out of state with some kind of creative financing and a big down payment, but which cash flows nicely and also gives me a solid COC return.

By my numbers, *if* I can find a non-gut-job 3/2 or better locally, I can reasonably expect to make $1100-$1300/mo renting two rooms and to pay $850-950/mo for conventional financing ($170-190K purchase price, around $30K down). Subtract $100/mo for utilities and another, say $150/mo for maintenance and that gives me a NOI of -$100 (worst case) to $200/mo. So by itself, not the best investment, but once you include the $650/mo I save in rent you get a range of

House hack cash flow increase: $550-$850/mo average.

The numbers look great, but the key takeaway here is IF. So far in a month of searching I've found exactly ONE property that could make these numbers work. I put an offer on another two days ago that would make the numbers work and it was $40K below asking price and roundly rejected.

Now, when I consider investing out of state what I come up with (generally) is that I could, probably within a month or two, finance and own a $130K house generating $1300/mo in rental income. I'd have to finance it however investors finance single family buy-and-holds for which they do not qualify for conventional financing, but I imagine that's a "how" not an "if" question. Let's say I have to finance it at 5% on $110K with private money or seller financing. That puts my payment at $770/mo. Now my NOI is $1200, but my cash flow is $1200-770 = $430.

Out of state cash flow increase: $430/mo expected.

So either way I'm making money over letting my cash rot in a nearly-no-interest savings account, but in the house hack scenario I don't know how long it will be until something functional shows up -- could be months while in the out of state investment I could own something almost right away, but I'd be stuck paying rent for a miserable apartment and would have little ability to control my living situation OR the rental property.

So what would you do? I can suffer a lot if I know it's going to serve my goals. I'm leaning towards house hacking because I think it accelerates my savings towards property number 2 and gets me out of throwing money out my proverbial apartment window, but the lack of options is leaving me antsy and frustrated. Would love to hear your input.

Thx

Post: Income production in an over priced market

Danni CatambayPosted
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@Jon A. Thanks for the anecdote! I know winter is when a lot of prices come down and the market cools, so I'm trying to be patient. My realtor said he's ok with passing along low ball offers on my behalf, so I'm working on a strategy of just offering what I can make work and moving on if it's not accepted. There's just nothing good out right now... everything is either one-step-above-condemned, or out of my price range -- or both sometimes!!

Originally posted by @Chris Levarek:

@Danni Catambay Are you looking to raise the rents? Month to month tenants might be interested in moving in any case if the rents are going to be adjusted. Or simply offer cash for keys. At the end of the day, this is a business and your finances on are the line. You are making a business financial decision and so, must make the best choices for your financial investment. You can always have a property manager, real estate agent or attorney help facilitate the best decision if it is too hard to make on your own.

This property would be a hack, so I'd have to remove one tenant to make a space for myself. The other, well, I wouldn't adjust the rent immediately as they're pretty close to market, but I would if I did any upgrades to the property.

Originally posted by @Matt Castle:

Definitely would NOT suggest living in a parked truck on the property to qualify for owner occupancy. Lenders have a tendency to get upset by such things, and occasionally one will come knocking to verify you're actually an OO.

Rule of thumb: don't upset the folks with bigger budgets and better lawyers than you. 

Ask your agent/realtor to do the hard questions for you. We don't mind and that's what we're paid to do. That way, you still get to be the nice buyer versus not-nice buyer.

Yeah...I figured it might get viewed that way. 

Post: Ready to make my first offer!

Danni CatambayPosted
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Originally posted by @Jake DiSabatino:

I think it sounds great! House hacking was also my first deal and it’s certainly a winning strategy!

A couple notes based on the photos...

The bath doesn’t seem to have a shower in it and the basement looks like it would have to have pretty low ceilings in order to be finished. I didn’t dig too hard but I counted blocks to estimate the floor joists might be at 7’2”.

Nice strategy for the basement eyeball. You're right about the bathroom -- it's one of the reasons why I offered (tried to offer) the price that I did. The bathroom is simply pathetic for a by-the-room rental property!

Post: Ready to make my first offer!

Danni CatambayPosted
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Originally posted by @Jon A.:

Good for you! That sounds like a pretty solid plan. I own a home in Candler also. It is a 2/1 in the other side of Smokey park hwy. It rents for $1000/mth so I think you are spot on with your rents . I actually think mine is under market value a little but it is beside a trailer park and my tenant has been there for a few years . I was wondering if you have factored in the bills? Are you on a septic tank and a well? Candler is about the only direction that Asheville has not grown into too much. Probably because of the paper mill just down the road in Canton. I think newcomers to Asheville don’t distinguish the difference between the two. There are some beautiful properties out that way.

The property (which I'm sad to report just went under contract and I didn't get it) is on septic and well. And we could definitely smell the paper mill from the yard. Bills weren't factored in beyond basic estimates for maintenance and a low-ball rent to give me wiggle room for how much utility I would have to pay. Good to know my senses are matching up with what others have seen and done in the area.

Post: Ready to make my first offer!

Danni CatambayPosted
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@Aaron K., @Chris Bruni, Thanks! I'm planning to document EVERYTHING! Need to learn all I can for deal #2!