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All Forum Posts by: Dan Mahoney

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Post: LF Lakewood Ohio Duplex House Hack - Price Insanity

Dan Mahoney
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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Are you actually seeing them sell for that much or just be listed for that much?  I have some Lakewood duplexes and quads that make ~1800-2400 and I've had refi appraisals in the past year and nothing approaching 200-250k.  Granted, I'm on the east end not the west end.

I would sell all my Lakewood stuff if I could get the prices you are talking about.

MF - Sold Last two weeks Listed @

2022 Bunts Rd - 1 day - 260k
1595 Bunts Rd - 1 day - 280k
17800 Franklin Ave - 1 day - 265k
1382 Phelps Ave - 2 days - 245k
1533 Elmwood Ave - 2 days - 290k
1305 Virginia Ave - 3 days - 280k

Do I know they sold for those prices, no, but half of them didn't last 24 hrs, and the three I bid on (@ or 10%-15% below list) all had multiple offers. These are mostly remodeled units, and the top priced ones have stainless / windows, finished 3rd floor, etc. 

The more unconventional / odd layout ones that need work near 117th are @ 150k-175k ish depending, but I've seen nice ones go for over 200k, but I prefer to be further west and north since it's a house hack. 


Post: LF Lakewood Ohio Duplex House Hack - Price Insanity

Dan Mahoney
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Yeah it sure seems that way Steve, and that’s why I haven’t bought - thanks for the reply.

What’s the logic behind 10% - 12% negative cash flow on a duplex rental, the majority of buyers have used a 30 year mortgage with a down payment from what I’ve heard.

If they’re house hacking, they could buy a bigger nicer SF for $200 more a month than they pay for the balance on the mortgage minus the other units rent, and have a yard, two bathrooms, bigger kitchen etc. 

I mean these go QUICK. I’m trying to understand the mentality and the thought process that would explain the current buyers behavior.  

Post: LF Lakewood Ohio Duplex House Hack - Price Insanity

Dan Mahoney
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Hello all,

Vet looking to buy a duplex in Lakewood with VA loan and house hack for two years. I like Lakewood, I'd like to buy here. Been looking seriously for over a year, and the pricing and competition is outrageous. House after house, I see people paying over 250k, (now closer to 300 for some mid north western ones) for duplexes that pull in $1600 / $1800 rent for both units combined, while paying 5k a year in property tax to boot!

They sell in hours of being listed, often multiple offers, though only a quarter are cash. Nothing decent lasts a day.

These are generic run of the mill 900 sq ft Lakewood duplexes with cosmetic rehab Painted white Home Depot cabinets and the grey wall white trim paint job, microscopic bath rooms, often maintenance issues, etc that sold for 135k three / four years ago.

Can someone please explain to me what the heck is going on?  For a single family I get it, it’s home, it’s for your standard of living, kids, school.  These duplex prices, though I just can’t seem to make the math make any sense, as the rents do not (seem to) support these high 200k sale prices. 

I'm not trying to make a killing but I feel like I'm dumping 40k down a hole if I jump into one of these multiple offer situations, which almost every single one is, and it'll set my ROI back years.

Any enlightenment would be amazing and sincerely appreciated. I am baffled and frustrated.