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All Forum Posts by: DAn L.

DAn L. has started 3 posts and replied 19 times.

Post: Thoughts on Tiny House in backyard for extra income

DAn L.Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Petaluma, CA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 9

Use the federal law.  Ignore city code.  Don't waste your time

Post: Tiny Houses in Backyard is THE Solution- can't believe I'm the on

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  • Petaluma, CA
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The Fair housing Act is a federal law that gives you everything that you need to stay profitable in your rentals, make affordable housing, and give people a leg-up who need it most.  And you can put it in the face of your local building council, because it's federal law.  Not enough people are using this, and it's sad.  Backyards are the most under-utili

zed prime real estate, and it's a travesty that it continues that way.  We could end homelessness tomorrow with this, all the while ensuring you don't lose your own properties do to a sudden loss of rental income from the main house.  Pictures of tiny houses

Post: Renting Shed homes

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  • Petaluma, CA
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Jason, the answer is to grow a pair after studying the FHA and "just do it." The law is actually on your side. HOWEVER, a disability must be part of the story. You CANNOT just fix up your shed and rent it out, because that would be deemed an "illegal rental." HOWEVER, if someone over the age of 60 lives in it ("apparently disabled" say the courts- because anyone over the age of 60 is liable to fall down and break their hip, or need some other sort of "assistance" with activities of daily living- like taking out the trash or house-cleaning, whatever). Or, you rent it to someone who has a minor disability, or perhaps a disabled vet. These people are a "protected class" but even better- it protects YOU. I can't believe I'm one of only a handful of people who has learned this. It was actually a little old lady in Petaluma that taught me this law, because she used it to force the city to allow her to live in her tiny house in someone's back years- now with the city's blessing.

Once you have invoked the federal law, the city code goes "out the window," and changes to "what's reasonable in the circumstances." MOST households qualify to have one of these....and no, I don't call it an ADU- that's a STATE law. I want federal law. More power. I can ignore local and State law and go with federal.

Do you see a "no pets" sign at the grocery store?  What else does that sign say?  Same legal principle...similar law protecting disabled people.  

Post: Renting Shed homes

DAn L.Posted
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  • Petaluma, CA
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Answer to your first question- "yes" and look for my CL ads.  Answer to second question "my suggestion is to 'not ask, don't tell, just do."  You probably won't have any issues, anyway, for years.  Most of my clients have not had issues.  The first one I sold was to a Telsa employee in Sunnyvale.  His sister, a physics student I think, has been living in it for a couple years now.  No permits.  Neighbors haven't complained.  In fact, his neighbor wanted one for a bit (hasn't followed through).  

No permits are required if 120 sq ft (or less) for a 'temporary structure.'   Where things get interesting is when you want to live in it... so I suggest saying "look at my nice shed" and even getting a permit if you want one bigger, and just say "it's for making pottery, and I should have a toilet and shower in it so I don't bring mud into the house."  The city will likely say "yes" and now you have a permitted structure with facilities.  I designed mine to fit into the "no permit required category" but a lot of people are now buying much bigger, however soon I might not be selling them anymore, and just renting them, because that was my original goal, anyway.  

Where else can you essentially add an additional bedroom for so cheap?  Turn a 2 bedroom into a 3 bedroom?  It surprises me that so-called "real estate investors" haven't figured this out.  They so much fear "the man."  

I know exactly what are talking about regarding the recent 2016 law change allowing for "Accessory Dwelling Units."  It's actually a revision of a 30 year old law!   Honestly, in my opinion, this too is a waste of time, because it comes a little too late.  30 years ago, the law allowing for "granny flats" was first enacted, as a State law, over city code, but the city's all figured out ways to block it, like saying "you don't have enough parking."  Apparently this was the favorite tactic.  The State legislature knew about the problem of housing affordability 30 years ago, then revisited it, giving it more "power" 15 years later, and only recently enacted this new law that took away a city's right to say "sorry, you don't have enough parking spaces," and essentially block grandma from having her own tiny house to live out her years, while the kids live in the main house.   "No permit for you!" translates into "no affordable housing for a lot of people."  And here we are, needing millions of apartments yesterday, and most backyards being used for nothing. 

Were people still getting their "granny flats" (today "ADU's") built? Yes, by SUING THE CITY. People could get it done, but who wants to fart with suing their own city? That's scary to most people. Meanwhile, The Fair Housing Act, a federal law, essentially bypasses all of that garbage. You basically "just do it," and if it's "discovered" later (i.e. a nosy neighbor calls the or city finds out some other way), you just ask for "reasonable accommodation, in light of disability" and carry on. I'm more of a "better to ask for forgiveness than permission" kind of guy, so I'm of the opinion that it works better WITHOUT permits, WITHOUT asking for permission, and getting someone moved in as quickly as possible, BEFORE the nosy neighbor calls the city to "investigate" your goings-on in your back yard, because once moved in, to get the person out is an eviction or "ejection" process, and that's much harder than prevention. Code enforcement goes home at 5, like most bureaucrats. And they don't work on weekends. My sheds go up in a matter of hours.

Asking for reasonable accommodation with a simple 1 sentence mailed letter essentially turns the table on the city in the federal sense, where now instead of you proving to the city that what you are doing "follows the code" now the city must PROVE that THEY are being "reasonable" in handling your particular situation (in law they call this a "fact issue," and is particular to each case, as opposed to city code, that is "general in scope," and so "fact issues" must be decided by a jury) and that their permitting process is "reasonable" for you to work your way out of the situation  (for instance, the permit fees alone for building a house in places like the Bay Area can easily top $50k, and that's before turning a single shovel of dirt.  Who's grandma on social security has $50k lying around to pay for building and sewer permits, when you can put up a livable bedroom space, in the form of a shed, for less than $10k?

I'm not a lawyer (thank God), but what I suggest to people now is "just do it, and have your doctor's note ready, documenting your migraine disorder, anxiety disorder, or in one case, the existence of your child's autism/ADHD, who needs a special place to call his own, or a place for mom to do her work." This works on landlords, too, by the way, so good for you to be aware, in case you get one of these letters- it requires you to "have a conversation," to "be reasonable for the particular circumstances..." As in the aforementioned dog for the girl with cancer- let her have the damned dog, because it will cost you a lot more to fight than to "be reasonable," because you WILL lose, and the fight itself costly...do you have the Department of Justice fighting your case for free? I think not, and it won't be a cheap fight. And getting investigated by HUD is not fun, either.

  And it gets better- you don't have to DISCLOSE the type of disability, or give them a copy of the medical record- HIPAA rules!  It's a PRIVATE medical record, and "no, you do not get a copy....but I will flash it to you from 20 feet away so you know it exists."  Banks do this same thing all the time in court when a demand is made for a mortgage note- "show me the original note."  The bank's lawyer presents it to the judge, and plaintiff, and then it goes back in the lawyer's briefcase, because it's valuable.  

In a living person's case, medical records are private, and giving details about the color of your poop from your bowel disorder is really nobody's business but your own and that of your doctor (or in the case of mental health issues- your therapist- because a note from them counts, too! As long as they are licensed!). Study some of the pet cases, for "therapy animals," because they DO count. "Oh, that's silly," you'll say. Ok fine. Just keep doing what you're doing. You're right, but these new laws were enacted in California for this very reason, yet it is still not enough (if you want to learn more about them- check out Lilypad homes and ADU's, or the history of the new law, it's interesting back story...Get back to me when you come up with something better that actually does work, and doesn't cost $200k to just build a "tiny house, with permits." Who can afford that, these days? I grew up in the Bay Area, I know all about affordable housing issues. And yes, there are a bunch of my sheds all over the Bay.

But still, it was a lady in Petaluma, named Sonia (Talejin?), who knew about the FHA, and you can thank her and a few of her friends for paving the way on FHA for disabilities if you DO want to have a "tiny house" or "reasonable accommodation" in your backyard. It's now in the city building dept rules...if you ask, but don't expect them to advertise.  In Petaluma, for instance, she lives in a tiny house on wheels and pays, I think $500 a month rent to the homeowner AND she has a permit to "legally" live there, with the city's blessing.  She pays a $600 per year permit fee (a ripoff IMO), and had to pay about $10k out of pocket to run a "pump uphill" sewer line to the homeowner's main sewer line, and for an an electrician to put in a meter to her trailer, essentially.  It was a lot of out-of-pocket expense, IMO, just for a place to RENT....but this is stupid California.  In my opinion, and she considers my opinion "radical" (because I think it's almost pointless to work with bureaucrats sometimes), I think it's better to "just do it" and "see you in court...and oh, by the way, you won't be fighting me, you will be fighting....who is the US attorney general, at the moment?  Because, I'll be lodging a complaint against you with Housing and Urban Development for HOUSING DISCRIMINATION...So, can I please have your business card and badge number, Mr. Code Inspector?...I want to be sure your name is included in my complaint, and you may as well state the name of the person who called you, because it will come out in discovery...have a nice day."  Once that gets back to the office, the city attorney gets it, and the case quietly gets brushed under the rug.  That's what happened to a couple of people I've dealt with so far, who bought my sheds.  One of them got scared and moved, the other one is still there, now left along after "they got the reasonable accommodation memo."  I'm not going to say how many I've sold, but I'll say "a few."  I'm heading up to Portland to drop a double sized unit to a retiree.  Tiny homes are pretty big in Portland.  

The most sick example I came across was in Marin- no joke, and completely by chance I met a couple, who own a subway shop next to Costco.  In order to build a second living quarters for the husbands aging parents, they had to sign an agreement with the city's lawyer, that they would build the "apartment" as an "addition" to the house, such that once both parents died, the unit would NOT be rented to someone else, and the kitchen torn out, with the remaining space made part of the main house.  Isn't that sick?  Perfect example of Marin NIMBY, and exactly why the new law was needed.  But it is too late.  Housing affordability is simply out of control, where $100k per year is considered "poor."  The couple had finally received their building permits after a long-drawn-out battle with the city's building department.  6 months after meeting them, the 2016 law passed.  I would be curious to know what happened to them.  Most likely they did get their parent's cottage done, and it is attached to their house, but now once the parent's pass away, they CAN rent it as a separate unit, but instead of it being separate from the house, their home is now much like a duplex.  A duplex in Marin.  How funny.  Welcome to California.  

An ex-cop friend, who is also a contractor, said this "oh, they're too late, and you can't find a contractor to do small jobs like tiny houses, when you can make a lot more money building a real house or remodeling a kitchen or bathroom. The next law will actually PAY PEOPLE to build ADU's on their property, because we need more than a million of them built yesterday, and they can't get built fast enough."

Post: Renting Shed homes

DAn L.Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Petaluma, CA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 9

Some updated pics of various units I've been advertising on CL.  

This person actually did get crap from her HOA...and what was worse was she was a renter. I told her about the FHA and suggested she chill. Actually, she was using this shed as a hangout while her quadriplegic husband was getting treated by a nurse, daily, so she could work to support the family. I have a secret prayer that both the city, her nosy, complaining neighbor, and the HOA would go after her, so the US government could step in and clean the floor with all of them...because if there were not a better example of why the FHA was written, it would be her. Her husband was almost killed by a drunk driver, and now she is the sole breadwinner for a family of 4.

Post: Renting Shed homes

DAn L.Posted
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  • Petaluma, CA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 9

Dawn, actually I did. And funny enough, Charlie is actually on the right track. What's funny s that he is so close yet doesn't realize what he is saying invokes federal protection for a "shed" to be lived in, if he knew how to invoke the federal jurisdiction protections of the FHA. You simply ask for "reasonable accommodation in light of disability."

Now, I might not be able to help with affordable housing for EVERYBODY, however, for those household who DO have a disability of one type or another (and the list is fairly long), then this WOULD apply, in which case you can give both the city code enforcement officer and your NIMBY neighbor the finger.  I believe they are part of the problem "I don't make the rules I just enforce them."  

See  U.S v. City of Boca Raton  it tells a story.  Lots of national news around it.     

To Wit:  "

B. FHA violation

The FHA prohibits a public entity from discriminating against disabled persons by denying such persons the ability to live in a dwelling. 42 U.S.C. § 3604(f). The purpose of the FHA is to "prohibit local governments from applying land use restrictions in a manner that will . . . give disabled people less opportunity to live in certain neighborhoods than people without disabilities." Good Shepherd Manor Foundation, Inc. v. City of Momence, 323 F.3d 557, 562 (7th Cir. 2003) (citations omitted).

The cat is now officially out of the bag.  Nobody knows about this law, and both NIMBY neighbors and city building departments probably like it that way.  They are part of the problem, sadly, and when I think about city code enforcement, I think about an infamous Dennis Rader, who was inactive during a certain 10 years, while he was employed as a (you guessed it) code enforcement officer.  

The Fair Housing Act is over 40 years old, and hardly used, sadly. And if you get into any trouble, you simply complain to HUD, and the US Government fights your case for you. No out-of-pocket attorney's fees. None. And the city, after being investigated, or being stupid enough to fight the DOJ in court, usually ends up paying a fine, with final judgement including having it's employees take a course in housing discrimination, literally. Read some of the appeals cases. It's empowering.

If you invoke FHA with a simple "requesting reasonable accommodation" letter, you are literally beating them with a postage stamp. Now, you should, of course, have EVIDENCE of the disability (ie: here is the file folder containing the doctor's note concerning my disability, I will show it to you from a distance, so you know it exists, before I put this PRIVAT MEDICAL RECORD back in the file folder).

Still, the definition of same is rather broad, but it does play into the application of the law.  Do you need a shed and a caretaker- DONE!  Do you find a certain peace from your anxiety disorder by sleeping in your tiny house...in your backyard?  DONE.  Can you draw a line to the person sleeping in the tiny house and your (or their) need for help with activities of daily living?... even if it is just to take out the trash once a week?  DONE.  

It's like being 1% pregnant.  You can't be 1% disabled- it counts and triggers the law.  You ARE disabled, if you have ANY type of disability.  And yes, learning disability counts.  Imagine your child's tutor living in your tiny house in your backyard, right up against the fence, violating the setback rules?  (my sheds are made of insulated steel SIP panels- so they don't catch on fire).  I have a school that bought several units for it's teachers to live in...why?  Because the cost of housing is too high for rentals on a teachers salary.  What has the city done to fix it?  NOTHING.  So this school makes sure their teachers are those that also teach children with learning disabilities, because the kids ned those teachers.  It matters.  You saw it here first.  

This is why the law was written. They saw the problem 40+ years ago, and enacted a federal law.  Live in the USA?  Then it applies as "law of the land" over any local municipality, under the federal supremacy clause.  This is also why Marijuana is still a schedule 1 drug, federally, and why you won't pass an FBI background check for buying a gun if you claim you have a medical marijuana card, or why Canadians will be denied entry, through any State, if they mention they work in the cannabis industry, or say they want to visit California to smoke a bowl.  Same thing.  Federal law governs entry to the USA, regardless of State law, or whatever State you are entering.      Coincidentally, this is also why you see now "NO PETS ALLOWED" signs on stores, and then in fine print below.... "except service animals."  That's because somebody sued under the "reasonable accommodation" requirements of the ADA.  Airlines now allow "cats, dogs, and small horses"- no joke.  They since sorta ruled against ducks and snakes, and recently, a squirrel, apparently, but for a time there, some planes were having all sorts of creatures walking the aisles.  

When reading the court cases, you'll come across a lot of them that involve the reasonable accommodation of pets as comfort animals for people living in apartments that have a "no pets" policy.  I recall one where a women in her 20's, dying of breast cancer, wanted a small dog for comfort.  The apartment management would not accommodate, and instead started eviction proceedings.  She died, but her case lived on and management paid a huge fine and had to take a class in housing discrimination.  

There was also a case in New Jersey I read (no joke) of lesbians wanting to rent a retired navy hospital boat at a New Jersey pier for alcohol rehab for lesbians.  No joke.  At first the city agreed in principle, but when the girls got serious about actually following through, the city "had a change in policy."  So they sued.  They too won their case.   

Post: Thoughts on Tiny House in backyard for extra income

DAn L.Posted
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  • Petaluma, CA
  • Posts 19
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Post: Renting Shed homes

DAn L.Posted
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  • Petaluma, CA
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I've been building some tiny homes the size of a shed (using the footprint of a shed, so no permit), and so was wondering if I could rent these out to people, for rental income, and if so, what would be a fair price per month?  I can produce 10 at a time.  I've streamlined the process and taken everything out that is not absolutely necessary.  No bathroom (I guess they could use a camping or composting toilet) and no kitchen (can plug in a fridge or hot plate/microwave).  There is no plumbing.  Only electricity that plugs in with an extension cord on the side.  

My first units are on trailers.  After some thinking, I decided to go with a fixed foundation, like the above, because it can be assembled on site in about 3 hours, and you can't get a trailer into a lot of back yards.  

Post: Thoughts on Tiny House in backyard for extra income

DAn L.Posted
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  • Petaluma, CA
  • Posts 19
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Using a tiny house as an extra bedroom- no bathroom no kitchen- Good idea or bad idea?  

It's the size of a shed, or average bedroom.  I'm renting these out as an affordable housing solution.  I've designed ones that are on a trailer and ones that can be put up on site in an afternoon.    

I've got an ad up on craigslist to find people who might need an extra bedroom in their backyard.