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All Forum Posts by: Daniel Vella

Daniel Vella has started 3 posts and replied 10 times.

Post: what we learned from second multifamily purchase

Daniel VellaPosted
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 11

This post is a year late, but my wife and I learned a few things on the purchase of our second 4-unit (what we learned from our first one here). 

1. Appraisals: what attracted us to the property was that it was down the street from our first multifam, but also because we believed it to be overpriced based on the comp approach when compared to the first property. Both properties consist of two side-by-side duplexes, and the first one was newer. It appraised for about 100k less than the asking price of the new one a year before, so we figured making our offer contingent on appraisal was money in the bank after due diligence. We were wrong because of the income approach. The property did appraise, and it was because all 4 units had leases at the time of the appraisal, and they were all leased for higher amounts than the first property was. The first property had one vacant unit which was trashed, and the three rented units were rented for $50-100 less than the new property's units. The appraiser used the income approach rather than the comp approach, so the property was more valuable. We learned to consider the income approach when analyzing deals, and, of course to always include the appraisal contingency (which we do already), unless necessary not to. We also learned that when selling a property, having all units rented at maxed out leases can help add value that is realized and tangible, rather than potential. 

2. Google the property: I will always search Google for non-disclosed immaterial facts from here out when analyzing a deal. A few months before we bought this property, a kid accidentally shot and killed his sibling in one of the units. The parent was arrested and it is able to be found in the news still. This was not disclosed, and does not have to be, but it would be valuable to know. We would have still moved forward with the purchase, but a week ago the current tenant asked me about it, indicating her kids are screaming and pointing at night--which is some spooky stuff. She googled  and found the news story. That tenant signed her lease with the former owner before I closed, so I actually thought she knew, but I will likely disclose that to future tenants.

3. If possible, talk to neighbors. This property was owned by a guy who also owned, at one point, the adjacent properties on either side. Since closing, I have spoken with neighbors and tenants who have lived there for a while, and learned that the plumbing is unique because it saved money and time to configure it the way it is configured. For instance, the cleanout for the back units is in the neighbor's yard, and I have to jump a fence to access it. 

4. If you're local, ride by on Friday night. I am close enough to this property to ride over when necessary, and during due diligence I went by on a Friday night. As a result, we asked for one of the units to be delivered vacant because I observed drug use and a party scene that I didn't want any part of. The seller complied. I probably would have had to evict that occupant soon after closing (he was also behind on rent), and since I self-manage, I wasn't interested in having to unclog a sink during a scene like that.

5. When we were looking at this one, we considered another 4-plex that we ended up passing on, but learned to check TMS numbers and plats for subdivision. That 4-plex turned out to have been subdivided into 4 separate parcels at some point, and I learned from my agent (who sold it to the buyer later), that they had to remedy that somehow to avoid 4 separate closings, which would have been a deal breaker for us.

Live and learn.

@Andrew DeWeerd I don't know how big TD Bank is or if they would do work across the country, but I just took out a HELOC on a rental with them here in Charleston, SC. Closing was a pain and the whole process was a wreck, but after calling about 15 banks, they were the only ones I found near me who would do one on an investment property. I think it was 65% LTV

@Brett McManus great start. Wish I had gotten started sooner.

@Gregory Schwartz I’d like for it to be B. I e had my eye on some properties in Clemson for a while @Cole Oraham and is really like for it to be true. I haven’t noticed an uptick in the volume for sale in the community I’m watching, though. Maybe leases run out about now?

My day job is in education, and I’ve observed that hybrid models and online learning are great for some, but the “college experience” that my little brother wanted is still a big piece of life in the college years, and online classes can be taken from a nice rental near campus.

Good luck with it @Scott Pearson. Multi is what we're continuing to look into. Divides up your liability with vacancies. I am renovating one vacant unit while not going broke. Last year we had a 3 month stretch on our single fam and lost a good bit. I think people might get scared of having multiple of everything (4 bathrooms, 4 kitchens, 4 HVACs) that could break and need cap ex, but another way to look at it is that you're vacancy wallet is 1/4 as liable since the others can subsidize.

My wife and I have been priced out of the Charleston, SC market for a long time (we are in our second live-in flip and had a good bit of capital after the first one, but still struck out on a year's worth of deals). We took out a HELOC on our primary, and found a deal that still penciled out after including the NOI increase from the monthly HELOC payment. It was the toughest closing yet of our 4 mortgages, but a few things that seem like no-brainers are where we made mistakes. Maybe someone can learn from the following:

1. How do we get rents and deposits-- We did not specify that we want deposits and pr-rated rents by closing. It is understood that the deposits and pro-rata come to the new buyer, and the check is in the mail (supposedly), but it would have been nice to have it in hand after walking away from the closing table for peace of mind, and to fund some cap-ex (rent proceeds not deposits which shouldn't be touched), but it didn't go that way. Next time, we will ask for this in the contract

2. Assignment of leases--Our closer assured us that if any of the tenants decided not to pay rent on the grounds that we are not the ones who entered the lease originally, that they would lose due to the fact that the property was obviously sold to us, but we are in the process now of having the tenants sign new leases which are identical to the ones they signed with former owner. Assignment of the leases by our attorney is $400. Next time, we will specify that the leases should be assigned to us by closing, that we want the seller to handle this, or that we want seller to draft new leases for us.

3. Repairs and cap-ex--we negotiated for a new roof to be put on (cap-ex that would have had to have been incurred after sale, but this way it was financed). We did not choose the contractor, and we did not specify the color. We ended up with a roofer who damaged other parts of the property and a shingle the color of rust that looks 10 years old already because it was probably on sale. Next time we will ask to pick the contractor or at least specify a non-crap color. This can be applied to any capital changes requested. 

These seem obvious, but not what my wife and I were thinking about as we were were going through the rest of the process.

DV

Post: HELOC in South Carolina

Daniel VellaPosted
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 11

Update in July 2019--UCBI at the Charleston Branch does not deal in HELOCs for investment properties (Orleans Road branch is who I talked to--but their rates were prime minus for primaries and very competitive after that promotion), BUT TD bank in Charleston does. On my single fam rental, they quoted 75% LTV at prime plus for a 10 yr (interest only) draw period and a $99 origination fee instead of closing costs. This is the same as my HELOC on my primary. Been looking for this for a while and don't know why I didn't see this post before.

Also worth it to note that I just closed on a quad using the HELOC from my primary. Still cash flows even after the overhead of paying the interest only payment. Anyone do this in the Charleston area and have any feedback?

Thanks BP because this saved me a lot of calls.

Post: Next Move--got any advice?

Daniel VellaPosted
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 11

@Jaysen Medhurst and @Dave Foster thanks for weighing in. Sort of along the lines we were thinking too.

Post: Trying to buy my first investment property..Any advice?

Daniel VellaPosted
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 11

Own your own house?  If not, house hacking is a great start, or live-in flips to build capital and get the landlord feet wet

Post: Next Move--got any advice?

Daniel VellaPosted
  • Charleston, SC
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 11

New-ish investor. Wife and I have one rental and are currently in our second live-in flip in Charleston, SC. Question is what our next move should be. Circumstances:

-our rental is an "A" property with strong history and reasonable cash flow. 

-downside is that the HOA fees have increased, and are slated to increase further and gradually, cutting down our margin.

-Equity in the rental is about about $135,000. Have a HELOC lined up on Primary for $25,000-30,000, and $25,000 cash.

We are looking for multifamilies in neighboring cities because Charleston is a crazy market. The options we are entertaining are:

1) Selling the rental and 1031'ing to one or more multi families (we can handle 4-20 units)

2) Cash-out refinancing the rental to pull out the equity, keep the unit, and not mess with 1031 parameters (though the new interest rate may narrow the profit margin too close for comfort)

3. Use the 25k we have liquid as a down payment on a property and just keep acquiring rentals the old fashioned way

4. combine 25k cash and Heloc for a larger property.

5. Something brilliant that we haven't thought of but one the Bigger Pockets members beholds us.

What would you do?

Looking for rentals to buy and hold.

Thanks in advance for any tutelage.

Daniel and Liz