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All Forum Posts by: Damian Young

Damian Young has started 3 posts and replied 17 times.

Post: Has anyone heard of Scott Jelinek and his Slow Flip strategy?

Damian YoungPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 24
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Damian Young:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @David M.:

@Damian Young

Interesting... but not for me

For starters, while I am not the expert in this, making a loan that you don't expect the borrowers to pay back is somewhere between unethical/immoral and predatory.  Also, I'm pretty sure it violates Frank Dodd or one of the other acts since you legally have to show/document that the borrower can reasonable pay back the loan.

Sounds like you have a 5yr term loan with a 30yr amortization.  Doesn't sound like a lease option at all.

So, after 5 years you get the $2k-$5k down, the little bit of amortization payments, and the difference of $875/mo and $667.33/mo?  Meanwhile, I would guess technically when they cannot refinance after 5 years, you now have the cost of foreclosing on the property, however its done, right?


this is an old old program I had clients of mine doing this in Detroit back in the GFC they would buy a house 1 to 2k sell it on contract for 20 to 30k.. Buyer would go steal from other houses to fix this one.. they never bought the house .. the idea for these guys is they would get enough on the down payment to at least get their cash back.. But today with Dodd Frank this would be totally illegal to sell to homeowners without going through QM process.  And for investor to put up money for this is just financial suicide.. there was guys down in San Antionio doing this preying on non english speakers.. just a sleazy way to try to make a buck nothing to be proud of.
I'm terrible at explaining it while trying to relate it to everyone's terminology. Think of you as just a bank for people who don't want or can't secure a conventional loans (ie. Flippers, Live-In Flippers, Divorcees, etc...). "Seller Financing" is the best term. See Raylene's post. She explains it a lot better than I can. Scott does a good overview of the system on his YouTube page. It's a great avenue for the long-term and EVERYONE WINS, which is what you want. I don't know what those dudes were doing in San Antonio, but it wasn't this system.😂

Point is there is nothing new in real estate transactions as it relates to how you structure them.  And buying 20 to 40k homes cheap and selling them as is on contract has been around for ever. experienced people are not going to pay double what they are worth just because you give financing.  So this becomes predatory.. preying on those who don't know any better or non English speakers.  I know it all sounds great and altruistic. but that's not reality.

 Agreed. I see your point. There's NOTHING new under the sun. The wheel was invented 4th Millennium B.C., but we have gold wheels for cars, BIG wheels for trucks, higher tolerance wheels for off-roading, and so on... Different wheels for different vehicle needs-I see this method as nothing more than another wheel (opportunity) to help your vehicle's (portfolio's) ability to adapt to any terrain (market changes). (Sorry for the auto references. I worked in the auto industry for too long😂). Point #2 Wholesaling is a thing and that thing is literally selling a home for more than what you contracted it for-More being 5x-10x sometimes. Aren't all home sales this way? Aren't all sales on the planet done this way?🤷🏽‍♂️ If I was a Handy-Dandy Contractor and I can pay $2k down and $875/mo. for a home, knowing I can fix up a rent this home out for $1200/mo., why wouldn't I? Third, any interaction, especially sales, has the ability to be predatory if you're a predator. Just be honest with people and they have the ability to accept or deny the terms. Your first deal in real estate is rarely your best deal, but you're creating opportunity for yourself. Lastly, I don't know about the Non-English speaking portion. Mi Espanol es muy malo and I don't know any other languages.😂 Look into it or don't, I'm just the messenger and I'm a terrible one at that. Watch the videos, contact his constituents and as always, make an educated decision for yourself.🙌

Post: Has anyone heard of Scott Jelinek and his Slow Flip strategy?

Damian YoungPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 24
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @David M.:

@Damian Young

Interesting... but not for me

For starters, while I am not the expert in this, making a loan that you don't expect the borrowers to pay back is somewhere between unethical/immoral and predatory.  Also, I'm pretty sure it violates Frank Dodd or one of the other acts since you legally have to show/document that the borrower can reasonable pay back the loan.

Sounds like you have a 5yr term loan with a 30yr amortization.  Doesn't sound like a lease option at all.

So, after 5 years you get the $2k-$5k down, the little bit of amortization payments, and the difference of $875/mo and $667.33/mo?  Meanwhile, I would guess technically when they cannot refinance after 5 years, you now have the cost of foreclosing on the property, however its done, right?


this is an old old program I had clients of mine doing this in Detroit back in the GFC they would buy a house 1 to 2k sell it on contract for 20 to 30k.. Buyer would go steal from other houses to fix this one.. they never bought the house .. the idea for these guys is they would get enough on the down payment to at least get their cash back.. But today with Dodd Frank this would be totally illegal to sell to homeowners without going through QM process.  And for investor to put up money for this is just financial suicide.. there was guys down in San Antionio doing this preying on non english speakers.. just a sleazy way to try to make a buck nothing to be proud of.
I'm terrible at explaining it while trying to relate it to everyone's terminology. Think of you as just a bank for people who don't want or can't secure a conventional loans (ie. Flippers, Live-In Flippers, Divorcees, etc...). "Seller Financing" is the best term. See Raylene's post. She explains it a lot better than I can. Scott does a good overview of the system on his YouTube page. It's a great avenue for the long-term and EVERYONE WINS, which is what you want. I don't know what those dudes were doing in San Antonio, but it wasn't this system.😂

Post: Has anyone heard of Scott Jelinek and his Slow Flip strategy?

Damian YoungPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 24
Quote from @David M.:

@Damian Young

Interesting... but not for me

For starters, while I am not the expert in this, making a loan that you don't expect the borrowers to pay back is somewhere between unethical/immoral and predatory.  Also, I'm pretty sure it violates Frank Dodd or one of the other acts since you legally have to show/document that the borrower can reasonable pay back the loan.

Sounds like you have a 5yr term loan with a 30yr amortization.  Doesn't sound like a lease option at all.

So, after 5 years you get the $2k-$5k down, the little bit of amortization payments, and the difference of $875/mo and $667.33/mo?  Meanwhile, I would guess technically when they cannot refinance after 5 years, you now have the cost of foreclosing on the property, however its done, right?

Post: Has anyone heard of Scott Jelinek and his Slow Flip strategy?

Damian YoungPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 24
Quote from @Raylene Ewing:
Quote from @Damian Young:

Okay, so I finished the book. The system is awesome and so is the book. I'll be primarily focusing on the "Slow Flip Method" for a few months to see if the juice is worth the squeeze, but essentially, you look for distressed properties in or below $30k and sell them FSBO to people with bad credit for $80-$90k with $2k-$5k down. Most people never actually buy the home, so they forfeit the down payment and move. Then you FSBO it to someone else. If they do buy within the 5 years, you pay off investor and you take the leftover. If they buy after the 5 years, you take it all! If for some reason, you're inhabitant wants to sell or rent it out for market value at anytime, you all still win!

Investor side:  Pitch it to your private investor as 12% interests on a 5-year private loan from your investor to secure the $30k. You take home all payments and sale money if the home sells after the 5 years are up. 

From what I've seen and the reviews, it's fairly easy to find these deals and works in remote markets, as you're not maintaining the properties. His private group is $3k upfront or $997 for 4 months. I'll keep ya'll posted...

I think you’ve missed the whole point of the process. You DO NOT ever finance the property to a buyer/tenant with the intention or hope that they don’t stay in the property. That’s just wrong. Scott actually teaches his group to encourage buyer/tenants to refi as soon as they are able to. If you got that this is FSBO in any way, you’ve missed something. For sale by owner and seller finance is completely different. 
buyer/tenants don’t always have bad credit. Many of the buyers rehab the property and live there for years. Some of them are construction contractors that have decent credit but can’t take multiple loans on multiple properties and pay tons of fees and closing costs. This method allows them to rehab multiple properties at the same time then the construction contractor sells them at market value to a buyer. Your loan gets paid off at that time. Some use them as rentals.

the biggest reason for doing things this way is a traditional bank won’t loan on  property that won’t appraise at their desired price. Banks also won’t loan less than 50k on a home loan period. Many contractors don’t have the cash laying around to put out upfront so they look for these types of seller finance. Many prospective buyers don’t want to pay large mortgage payments on a home listed at market value and they know enough about home renovations that they can rehab it themselves and have exactly what they want in a home and can have a small payment on it if it is purchased this way. 
I never place a buyer/tenant with the hopes that they move out or default. If that is your intention the slow flip method is not for you. Please don’t be the person who comes into the slow flips group that tries to take advantage of buyer/tenants. 
I would really suggest that you pay for the complete training and learn to do it the right way, for the right reasons- helping people to be able to obtain homeownership and not be house poor. 
if your goal is greed, this course isn’t for you.

 This is the best way I've seen it explained. I'm not getting across Scott's theory very well, but the book explains it very well in detail. YOU WANT THE BUYER TO BUY. YOU WANT EVERYONE TO WIN. You're not being predatory, you're helping people who can't get or just plain old don't want conventional loans (Investors, Flippers, Divorcees, etc...). You end up working with a lot of investors who buy from you to get the low payment without the stipulations and process of a conventional loan. This allows flippers, live-in flippers and regular joes to have another route for their financial or home owner goals. There is no downside or predatory nature to Scott's "Slow Flip" system that I've seen so far. Once again, I would read the book ($10) and do my own do diligence before I ever take the advice of anyone in a forum, but I'm definitely getting in, as I see it as a way to provide people who can't or just don't want to deal with the bank for reasons of their own. I also think it's a great tool to help build wealth opportunities for those who may not be able to go the conventional route. You can watch any of his videos on youtube for free. Tons of free info and reviews out there too. I honestly don't think the guy has a predatory bone in his body. I won't work with or subscribe to anyone I think is like that. I got into real estate to help underserved communities. This system seems to be a great tool to add to the toolbox to do just that. If you're in this to make a million this year, this program ain't for you, but if you're looking to help people and build generational wealth for underserved communities, Scott's system seems to be a very viable pathway to do so. Check his Masterclass Academy video too. Lengthy, but detailed. I plan on joining it soon. I'll update you on it all, as I gain more clarity and do some deals. Here's the first video I ever watched on the Slow Flip Method:

Post: Has anyone heard of Scott Jelinek and his Slow Flip strategy?

Damian YoungPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 24

 Kinda like a lease option. The new buyer buys a 30-year amortized home loan from you for $2k-$5k down and for $875/mo. They always has a option to sell it to a new "new" buyer and get their piece if the market jumps up. They can also relinquish it back to you or rent it out anytime. Even during the 5 years. The 5 years is just the loan period you use with your investor to procure the $30k, assuming you use investor money. You're essentially acting as the bank for a buyer with suspect credit and giving your investor 12% until the debt is paid back (60 months at $667.33). You keep all payments and monies from the sale after that 60 month period.

 If you're not using an investor, you buy a house for $30k cash, sell it for $89k "on loan" with $2k-$5k down at $875/mo for 30 years. The book lays it out well and it's only $10.  

Post: Has anyone heard of Scott Jelinek and his Slow Flip strategy?

Damian YoungPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 24

Okay, so I finished the book. The system is awesome and so is the book. I'll be primarily focusing on the "Slow Flip Method" for a few months to see if the juice is worth the squeeze, but essentially, you look for distressed properties in or below $30k and sell them FSBO to people with bad credit for $80-$90k with $2k-$5k down. Most people never actually buy the home, so they forfeit the down payment and move. Then you FSBO it to someone else. If they do buy within the 5 years, you pay off investor and you take the leftover. If they buy after the 5 years, you take it all! If for some reason, you're inhabitant wants to sell or rent it out for market value at anytime, you all still win!

Investor side:  Pitch it to your private investor as 12% interests on a 5-year private loan from your investor to secure the $30k. You take home all payments and sale money if the home sells after the 5 years are up. 

From what I've seen and the reviews, it's fairly easy to find these deals and works in remote markets, as you're not maintaining the properties. His private group is $3k upfront or $997 for 4 months. I'll keep ya'll posted...

Post: Has anyone heard of Scott Jelinek and his Slow Flip strategy?

Damian YoungPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 24

I just bought his book "The Art of the Slow Flip". I'll let you know when I finish it. I'm looking into his Freedom Accelerator program also. Basically, it's his 3-day, in-person teaching put into an online format with mentorship from Scott and group connections, so we'll see...

Post: Selling My Rental with a 1031 Exchange

Damian YoungPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 24

@Dave Foster: Thanks for the advice. I may wait to do the refi then. I don't need to refi. Just wanted to open up some debt to income ratio points. LOL!!!!

Post: Selling My Rental with a 1031 Exchange

Damian YoungPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 24

This is a 2-parter. 

1. I want to do a 1031 exchange when I sell my Jenks rental property, so I can reinvest the capital gains in another property without being taxed. My question is can I use $5k of the capital gains towards my current live-in home without being taxed, or is it not considered a like-kind investment since I already own it? 

2. Also, I'd then like to refinance my live-in house to my wife's name only. The reason I would like to transfer it to her is she get's the VA loan opened up after we sell the rental property. We can save the $100/month in PMI on our live-in property, and it reopens me back up for a more credible income-to-debt ratio and FHA loans. Is this a good idea or would you suggest something else?

Post: Tulsa, OK and Surrounding Areas Rental / Buy and Hold Investors

Damian YoungPosted
  • Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 24

@Callum K. and @John Kunick. Thanks fellas!!! All worked out. Got the place rented for $925/month with pet fee. Deposit and 6 months rent up front with 1 year lease. I stand to make $245/month as of right now. Will up the rent to $975-$1,000 this time next year depending on the market at the time. So far, so good!