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All Forum Posts by: Dale Viljoen

Dale Viljoen has started 12 posts and replied 34 times.

Post: How to find Discount Rate in NPV

Dale ViljoenPosted
  • Auckland, New Zealand
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Aaron K.:

Usually the rate is based on what the prevailing interest rate is in the market for a safe investment often the number used is 10 year US government bonds. However using NPV for REI may just be overthinking the situation unless you are buying properties left and right.

 
Appreciate the help, the reason I wanted to know is because I saw someone discussing about it on another forum and as I am new I am trying to understand as much as I can. Thank you once again, I understand it now.

Post: How to find Discount Rate in NPV

Dale ViljoenPosted
  • Auckland, New Zealand
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 1

I have been watching coutless videos as well as articles about NPV and I am starting to wrap my head around the concept and what it is used for. Now from what I remember the equation goes as follows, Cash Flow / (1+ Discount Rate) ^ Time. In the videos I have watched they just chose a random percentage without explaining it in a way I understand. Help on this will be very well appreciated!

Originally posted by @James Scholz:

@Dale Viljoen - I'm in Auckland as well. And the numbers on Bigger Pockets basically never work here. The yield is too low and the price is too high. The only way I think is even possible is through BRRRR (talked a lot about on here).

Thats what I'm trying to do at the moment, but the market is very challenging. 

 Absolutely awesome to hear from someone that is starting in Auckland as well. I have a few questions if you do not mind. What suburbs have you been looking at and have you looked out side of Auckland? Personally I have been considering Hamilton mainly for the reason that we go up there every couple of months and will allow me to walk around the neighborhoods and talk to people there to get to know what its like. Also have you bought any properties yet or are you still looking for one? Would love to stay updated on your journey and how you got the knowledge you did if that is okay. Thank you for the input, really helps!

Post: What does improved value and value of improvement mean?

Dale ViljoenPosted
  • Auckland, New Zealand
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Jeff Copeland:

Improvements generally refer to the stuff that was built on the land (i.e. the house, buildings, etc). 

So you might see something like:

Land Value: $25k

Value of Improvements: $75k

Improved Value: $100k

Thank you for your input Jeff. So I see that Improved Value refers to the stuff that was built on the land but I am still a bit confused on what Value of Improvements is? Also why do many houses on a MLS only have one of the two in the description. I have not seen on that has Improved Value and Value of Improvement. Apologies for the beginner questions, I have just started learning about real estate about 2 weeks ago so all input is well precipitated!

Post: Need help with Real Estate Terms

Dale ViljoenPosted
  • Auckland, New Zealand
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Dale Viljoen

I specifically liked the book because it was short and to the point. I used it more as a reference manual and a springboard to more in depth articles online. Specifically on discounting and NPV and IRR: if you come across those terms you can look it up and at least know what the idea is, even if you cant necessarily calculate it for yourself or understand exactly what it means to have a 20% IRR, you at least understand that it is a measure of ROI over a longer time horizon. When you are just starting out maybe that is all you need to know about IRR. You might come across that term, look it up in the book and decide you don't need to investigate it further because you have other metrics you are focusing on right now, but at least you understand the basic idea.

I think this reviewer had an unrealistic expectation of the depth an author can get into in a book that defines and gives examples of 37 different financial metrics. It probably gives three pages to each term, which is 111 pages and probably the entire length of the book.

There are others out there, but this is a good one for learning definitions of financial terms. If you want to get into upper division stuff check out "Real Estate Finance and Investment Manual" but its 600 pages of small print on large pages.

"36 Terms" is fluff free and defines all of the key financial terms. I think its perfect for a beginner. But of course everything is free online if you would rather study that way.

Make sure you are utilizing you local library! And ask the librarian about inter-library loan programs. I have been able to request specific books that my library system doesn't have through this program.

Good Luck!

I appreciate your reply, thank you! I definitely do see what you mean by the reviewer expecting to much in only 3 pages. From what you explained it really is a decent book for beginners and I will definitely purchase it after I am finished with my current one. Thank you once again!

Post: What does improved value and value of improvement mean?

Dale ViljoenPosted
  • Auckland, New Zealand
  • Posts 34
  • Votes 1

When looking at property value I tend to see either value of improvement or valued improvement. Could someone possibly explain it to me as I am still new to real estate. All input is appreciated.

Originally posted by @Dean Letfus:

THere's a whole lot of things here that you need to sort out @Dale Viljoen.

Firstly are you sure you want to invest in the USA. I am a kiwi who invests in the USA but I had many years experience in NZ first.  You can really easily get into trouble in the USA and lose your capital. So if you can afford to invest in NZ I strongly suggest you start there.

But let's assume you insist on the USA. One of your questions was is it possible to buy cashflow properties that will cover all expenses including mortgage payments from rental income. The answer is yes absolutely. So step 1 is to pick a cashflow market. I invest in Memphis which is a cashflow market. So is Atlanta. There will be hundreds of cities that do but you'll have to pick one. In my city you can buy a decent rental property for 80K that will rent for $995 a month.

You'll see below this cashflows at $134 a week before the 60K loan at 7% and $9.98 after the note.

This is just a typical example of the houses I buy in Memphis. So choose a cashflow market.  Get some local knowledge and start looking for a property.

 Thank you so much Dean, really nice to here it from a kiwis who is investing in to the USA market. I appreciate you giving that example of the average home you purchase, it really helped me get a understanding of the prices there. I can not believe how cheap a house is as well as how low the repayments for the loan are because of that.

Now you said you got a decent amount of experience in New Zealand before you started in America. Now that is something I definitely want to do first but I have a couple of more questions if you do not mind. First one is, what area/areas did you invest into in New Zealand. I am currently situated in Auckland and I assume you know of how pricey a property here is. Second question is, how did you learn everything you knew? Did you work in a company like Barfoot & Thompson or did you learn it yourself? Personally I am studying Software Engineering in university and will get a job in the field as fast as I can so I do not think I will be able to work in the real estate field to gain knowledge. So to gain knowledge I will be reading as many books as I possibly can and reading websites like Bigger Pockets. So what would be the best course of action for me to take to learn about the market best as I can without working in it? 

Thank you so much for your help, I apologies for all the questions. 

Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Dale Viljoen:

My question is, Is it possible to pay the mortgage of a property you are renting in less then 10 years? I looked at apartments and houses in a similar price range. The one I chose to go in full detail with I found that I was making roughly $250-300 NZD (170 USD) after expenses (Dis-including Mortgage). Now the problem is to get out a $700,000 NZD (460000 USD) mortgage with a 50000 NZD (33000 USD) Deposit I would have to do minimum repayments of 800 a week. Now as you can tell that's well over what the house is bringing in. I guess the leads to another main question that has been playing on my mind. How does one even purchase a property that is able to pay for weekly mortgage and expenses.

Thank you for reading my question, once again I appreciate all feedback.

 Joe V talks about a particular strategy that may be applicable in his market which is cheap housing in the depressed areas of midwest USA. You are living in NZ which has completely different market dynamics. In the rest of the world properties that rent for enough or are cheap enough to cash flow with 100% financing is unheard of. The population density and market values of housing will never support that. You cannot use the strategies talked about by US investors who buy properties on land which has practically zero value and often depreciate over time in other parts of the world. Also cost of credit and access to credit in the US is looser than anywhere else. Having the government take all risk of the table for the banks allows this to happen (because the banks have bought the government). Anyway, the point of this is to say you cannot apply the same strategies touted on BP to other countries or for that matter the desirable areas of the US either (like California or New York or Seattle etc).

This is definitely some advice I am happy someone has mentioned to me, thank you for that I really do appreciate that. BP is what got me in to all of this and helped me start it all so it does suck that I am not able to use some of the strategies found here. Besides all of that, are there any sites/blogs or any areas I can get information that is related to my countries home market? I noticed that you said "for that matter the desirable areas of the US either". Are there any areas were people of those markets get together? That way I might be able to apply their knowledge to my market as they are similar (besides access to credit).

Originally posted by @Steve Vaughan:

 It stretches my brain trying to convert weekly to monthly to annually and NZD to USD, but I'll tell you what's important.

Trying to buy rentals listed for sale with agents will not work there.  They don't work that way in my area or lots of areas here, either.  You need an off-market deal.  A seller that's a don't wanner.  Maybe a different asset type that can be re-purposed like an old warehouse or mall in a good location.  A closed up storefront or poorly run storage or mobile park. 

The good deals are never found on a device or at your computer in your underwear.  Hit the streets and drive/walk/ride for dollars. Take different routes to work and look for opportunities. Be around 'old guys' at diners in the morning or at senior circuits at the gym.  Theatre, cancer walks, chamber of commerce meetings, what have you.  Network with seasoned people that own stuff and know everybody.

 I really do appreciate all of the input on this, you have helped quite a lot and I thank you for that. I am going to assume you have previously owned properties before, was this your main way of finding the good deals and if not what are the other methods? Apologies for all the questions I am just trying to learn everything I can and noting it as I go along. 

Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

You are.  What  you're missing is a plan of  how to use what you have.  What you have are properties that won't cash flow unless you pay all cash.  Since you never, EVER, under ANY circumstances, EVER, want to use your own money to buy anything in RE,..what do you do?

The answer is in the timing, and whose cash you are using.  Both the timing, and "whose cash", are the same events.

First, you must flip your current cash (seed money), and reinvest all profits until your "seed money" has at least doubled.

Second, continue to flip your now larger seed money.  Now, you want to use your profits to buy rentals (they'll now CF) with all cash.  What's the difference?  This way, you're not spending your seed money...your spending your profits...which is OPM.

 I understand the whole idea of increasing your seed money until you are able to purchase properties with all cash allowing for positive cash flow. But there are two things I would like to know, I always here of others paying off their mortgage every week as well as their expenses all from weekly rent from tenants. How are they able to do that when the weekly minimum repayment is so high? My other question would be, what are some good ways to double increase your seed money? Me and my partner are studying house flipping as a way to increase our seed money to be able to purchase a property with all cash. Are there any other better methods in your opinion?