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All Forum Posts by: Dale Miller

Dale Miller has started 29 posts and replied 163 times.

Post: Just passed the real estate salesperson new york state exam!!!!!

Dale MillerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Buffalo, NY
  • Posts 163
  • Votes 28

I'm excited to join my fellow realtors and work towards building a good reputation. I'm in the Buffalo NY area. Can't wait to do some real estate stuff........

Post: What's the average price for a property management company?

Dale MillerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Buffalo, NY
  • Posts 163
  • Votes 28
Originally posted by @CJ M.:

@Dale Miller

6-10% from what I've seen



@CJ M. 6-10% That is what I will keep in mind when looking around. Thanks!

Post: What's the average price for a property management company?

Dale MillerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Buffalo, NY
  • Posts 163
  • Votes 28
Originally posted by @Aaron K.:

@Dale Miller depends on location and rental prices in the area but most common is 10% in lower priced markets plus fees to find a tenant when it goes vacant, some companies have more fees than that.  Yes you sign a property management agreement, usually the term is 1 year and then it transitions to month to month, but if you are a big enough pain in their butt you'll probably get out if you really had to.  They can mail you a check or send you a direct deposit, your call.


@Aaron K Around 10% Is what I was quoted. I think I might use a property management company and see how it goes ya know. I'm still trying to purchase my first rental. And things are moving at a snails pace. There's so much to learn and so many questions to ask. Not sure If I can come up with more time to manage than I have with work and kids. Thanks for your reply!

Originally posted by @Lee Ripma:

@Dale Miller

If you use a RES lender they usually limit the closing costs to 2% of the purchase price. You’re correct that closing costs can add an extra 8-10k. I’m not sure what we are talking about on purchase price but would 2% or less help? It is nice to have that closing credit. Also on rentals I always close at the beginning of the month. You get prorated rents as a credit at close plus deposits.


@Lee Ripma Couple of loan estimates are about 4% closing costs or $4800 on a 120k purchase. Very surprised at the high closing fees. I'm not sure what a RES lender means? Is it Residential? That would be great if the closing was 2% or less. 

Close at the beginning of the month that sounds interesting! prorated rents plus deposits would definitely be nice. Still trying to purchase my first rental. I think I'm ready and hope it works out currently looking and analyzing. Thanks for your reply!

Originally posted by @Brian G.:

@Dale Miller you can ask the seller for $5k credit toward closing which will lower the out of pocket amount needed for you to close (ie the seller covers your closing cost). You can have your RE agent include this in your initial offer.

@Brian Gerlach: That is smart! That is what I am looking to do because down payment plus all the fees and closing costs really puts a dent in your savings that have been collecting for years. Why not do that and have 5k stay in your account. I like it!

Originally posted by @CJ M.:

@Dale Miller

Yes. "Up" the purchase price (assuming it'll appraise a little higher). Use the extra cash for closing and down payment.


@CJ M That's what I was thinking about but never did that before and didnt know if it was something that would work. I would definitely like doing that and let my tenant pay monthly for it if I am lucky enough to purchase my first rental. Thanks for your reply!

Originally posted by @Serena Kim:

Unfortunately I don't think so. Usually the mortgage is given based on the appraisal value of the property, and the closing costs are in addition to that. You could probably get a loan to cover the closing costs, but that would be an additional financing. Not sure if anyone has any other ideas?

@Serena Kim I thought I read that somewhere you could wrap closing costs into the loan. Maybe it was something else like rehab costs. Still trying to do my first deal and hopefully it will work out soon. Learning what I can so I can have a successful rental. Thanks for your reply!

Post: Is a HELOC a good choice in todays....

Dale MillerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Buffalo, NY
  • Posts 163
  • Votes 28
Originally posted by @Jesse Hinaman:

@Dale Miller

Better option would be cash-out refi when you go into contract. You can write offer as all-cash and 15 day close.

I do this all the time with my clients that have large chunks of equity in other properties. Complete the refi in 15 days, rolling the proceeds over to purchase escrow. Fixed low rate and payment. Alternatively, you can have simultaneous purchase loan and refi, using cash proceeds as large down on purchase loan getting you phenomenal rate and no cash out of your pocket. Again, offering 15 day close with 10 loan contingency is as good as cash to most sellers.

HELOCs serve there purpose though. If having immediate use for the money, then conventional refi is better choice. If just wanting reserve account/line of credit to tap into just in case, then HELOC works. HELOCs right now are probably around 45-60 turn time, though.

Don't make the mistake of getting a HELOC on your property before doing refinance, since you will get higher rate pricing on the conventional refi with subordinate financing in place. Get the refi done, then apply for the HELOC for your safety line.


@Jesse Hinaman: That sounds like a genius plan but the payments would be too high compared to conventional fixed rate when I got some loan estimates and they told me when I change it to a fixed it would be 7-9%

Post: Is a HELOC a good choice in todays....

Dale MillerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Buffalo, NY
  • Posts 163
  • Votes 28
Originally posted by @Paul Shannon:
Originally posted by @Dale Miller:
Originally posted by @Paul Shannon:

A HELOC is a great tool is you are flipping or using the BRRRR strategy for rentals.....intended to be a short-term use of funds. Short-term is relative to the situation.



@Paul Shannon Sounds interesting. After analyzing the cash flow and monthly payment on a HELOC. The monthly payment on a HELOC is over 300 more per month because of the 20 year repayment. It just looks like it eats the cash flow per month and brings it to 125 instead of 500. Thanks for your reply!

My HELOC is a 30 year amortization on my primary residence. Through Wells Fargo. However, I understand they have frozen opening new lines of credit for new customers since COVID.

I'm open a business line of credit secured by rentals through a local community bank.  Same as you....20 year Am on that one.  

There may be some 30 year Am options still available, but it could take some digging.   


@Paul Shannon: I think if I could find a 30 yr HELOC I would definitely go for that but only 20 yr ones around here for now. Payments too high for 20 year I would only cash flow a little bit 

Post: Is a HELOC a good choice in todays....

Dale MillerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Buffalo, NY
  • Posts 163
  • Votes 28
Originally posted by @Ryan Hoover:

@Dale Miller A HELOC is the strategy I used to get started in investing. I will say that line of credit loans are drying up now or the LTV is closer to 80%, when you used to be able to get 90%. Not sure if you can get enough funds to secure the entire deal, but it's a great option to secure your down payment and pay for any renovations. That way you are getting the best of both worlds with the opportunity to do a cash out refinance in 6 months to recover some of the HELOC funds.


@Ryan Hoover I like many things about the HELOC strategy except when I see my monthly payment is 974 with the HELOC and only about 680 with 30 year conventional.  The more cash flow I see possible monthly reduces my stress levels. thanks for your reply!