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All Forum Posts by: Dakoda Spencer

Dakoda Spencer has started 43 posts and replied 157 times.

Quote from @Jacob St. Martin:

If you are interested in investing out of state you could always consider doing some sort of partnership too. This could also help you benefit from the cash flow of STRs but potentially have a partner who does most of the work managing it. This is the kind of structure I am trying to work out in my deals right now!

I am indeed interested! Just finding someone I can get to know and trust is the main thing. I have some money to invest, but I definitely want to be involved in the management process. 
Quote from @Dave Skow:

@Dakoda Spencer- thanks  1)  get  formally  pre approved  with a lender in order to  learn / understand the process and  also  so you can determine if you are  able to  obtain financing   2)  if you are not able to  get approved or  if you arent  ready -  this still  will be a good   exercise in order to  learn  .... 3) the pre approval  process is  free / non binding  and relatively easy - good luck

Excellent advice and I have been considering doing this. I see you are a lender, would you recommend any specific groups I should reach out to? Or try to stick with the local banks? Thanks!
Quote from @Sara Levy-Lambert:
  1. Research your market: It's important to understand the local demand for short-term rentals and the competition in your area. Look at Airbnb data and other online platforms to see what types of properties are popular, how much they're renting for, and how often they're booked. You can also talk to other STR owners or local real estate agents to get a sense of the market.
  2. Determine your business model: There are a few different ways to approach the STR business. You could buy a property and manage it yourself, hire a property management company to handle the day-to-day operations, or use a hybrid model where you manage the property but outsource some tasks like cleaning and maintenance. Consider your time, skills, and resources when deciding on a model that works best for you.
  3. Develop a budget: Calculate the costs of acquiring and operating a property, including the purchase price, closing costs, renovations, insurance, property management fees, and marketing expenses. Make sure you have enough capital to cover these costs and still have a cushion for unexpected expenses.
  4. Consider the location: Location is important for any real estate investment, but it's especially critical for STRs. Look for areas with high demand for short-term rentals, such as popular tourist destinations or areas near major events or attractions.
    Find yourself a good STR broker and investment advisor: You can google awning str buying to find one such nationwide option. There are others out there. Having someone experienced on your side is a huge benefit

 This is exactly what I'm hearing in the different materials I've been hearing/reading. Great advice! I have heard others mention "Awning", so I went ahead and just signed up to have a meeting tomorrow to talk to someone there to see what it's all about. Thanks for the recommendations!

Quote from @Andrew Steffens:
Quote from @Dakoda Spencer:

Since 2012, I've been on the sideline watching, learning, and saving to get into real estate investing. I'm 28 yrs old now and finally have some funds saved up and set aside specifically for real estate. Not a huge amount, but what I think it enough to get started. My goal over the next 6-12 months is to finally get into RE investing. I'm a real estate agent for West Virginia and Maryland, and prior to this last week, have only ever really considered LTRs, since STRs aren't popular in my area. About a week ago, I had a meeting with a fellow BP member who really opened my eyes to the STR potential. I've been doing a lot of reading over the last week, and now seem to be learning more towards starting my portfolio with STRs rather than LTRs. The CoC seems to be very appealing, and of course that is important when starting out since my cash reserves is pretty limited. I'm more open to investing out of state now, since my local market is "challenging" to become a full time real estate investor. I know it can be done, but if I can accelerate myself by starting out of state then later move back into my area as opportunities become available, then I'd like to at least see the options available.

Here's my question: Does anyone have any recommendations on where to start out for someone who is new to STRs? If anyone has any experience working with a specific group or course, I'd love to hear your input. Access to data is huge, and I know many people spend a many thousands dollars on courses to get started and to get access to tools. Does anyone have any recommendations for me that would be helpful? 

Thanks and best regards!


 Hi Dakoda! I am mostly seconding everything above.  We started with one unit in 2016 and now have 70+.  We are in FL, which is a great market.  You will want to find where you want to be (there are plenty of high traffic markets) - you can use airDNA to help with that.  Other than that I would not buy any courses, all the info you need is here.  Feel free to reach out to myself (and a lot of other helpful people here as well) with specific questions.  Best of luck!


 Thank you for the input! I'm sure I'll have plenty of questions in the coming months, and I appreciate the offer of reaching out. 

Quote from @George Guerrero:

I just bought my first STR in Pigeon Forge/TN. Excellent market. I can connect you with my agent if you are interested.

 Hey, if you're agent is used to working with investors finding STRs, yes please! I'd like to get some opinions from different agents on their market.
Quote from @Travis Timmons:

There are the big 63 National Parks (Yosemite, Grand Canyon, Great Smoky Mtn, etc) and a few hundred other national park sites like Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore (MI), Craters of the Moon (ID), Mt. Hood National Forest (OR), etc. Most folks don't know anything more than the biggest parks, which come with a very expensive price tag for real estate. The link below shows visitation numbers by month going back to 1979. If I were you and lived in West Virginia, I'd look at something near New River Gorge National Park. It's right down the road, gets over 1.5M visitors per year, and has a low entry point/price for a new investor. 

https://irma.nps.gov/STATS/


 As Kiera mentioned, this is a great response. Thank you for the input!

Quote from @John Underwood:

Read Avery's book and this forum for all the answers.


 Just picked it up on Audible and am going through it. Thanks!

Quote from @Travis Timmons:

It's harder and more expensive to get a short term rental up and going than you think it will be, and it is easier to manage once it is established than you think it will be. 

Other basic pieces of advice - do your own research. I like national parks bc there is a lot data on visitors. Lesser known places like New River Gorge, Mammoth Cave, Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore, Shenandoah, Acadia, etc. are going to outperform from a cash on cash, purchase price to annual gross rents standpoint.  Airdna, rabbu, and others are a useful tool but not to be relied on completely. Stalk airbnb and vrbo listings in the areas that you are looking...find other listings that have average to below average furnishings, pictures, etc. that are doing well. That was the best data point for me getting started. I bought a house just down the street from a place that looked like two college guys furnished it. And that house was booked up like crazy...we have since outperformed that property (feels better than it should to watch our calendar fill up before theirs). During the "holy crap, we're spending so much money, this better work" period, it is reassuring to have those comps to look at for encouragement. 

There's a lot more, but I'll stop at this. Launch your listing at the start or middle of peak travel season for wherever your property is located (likely summer). You'll get the new listing bump in search results for the first 30 days on the booking platforms. After those first 30 days in peak season, you'll have a fully booked calendar and will continue to show up well in search results, get a much needed cash injection, and launches you and you listing off with a great start and some momentum. 

Feel free to send me a message if you think that I can be helpful or if you want to talk in more detail. 

Excellent advice! I have been reading/listening to any content that I can find on STRs, and they all seem to state about the same of getting one up and going, as well as managing.

I hadn't heard about the 30 day bump, so that is very helpful! I also will look into Rabbu, as this is the first I've heard it mentioned.

Pardon my ignorance, but when you state you like national parks, what does that mean? I have heard others talk about it as well. Do you simply like to consider STRs that are in close proximity to national parks? Or are you talking specifically of properties located inside of national parks (inholdings)? 
Quote from @Brian Barch:

I would use awning and airdna to research market potential. No tool is perfect, but one can reliably understand if the cost/market potential ratio makes sense to pursue.

is this purely an investment for you? Also personal use?

The STR market is at an inflection point where many cities/counties/HOAs are learning what ordinances need to be in place, so please do not take this risk lightly.

a condo association can simply say “no maś” and you are effectively 
screwed. 

There are all sorts of mentalities out there around blue chips markets being tried and true/over saturated, etc.

If it were me, I would research which markets had the best potential based on your budget and proximity, then start reaching out for STR specific realtor contacts in those markets in this forum




Primary use would be as an investment, but of course I'm not opposed to visiting the location once a year for a break or to review how well the location feels to stay in. I have heard of airDNA, but not of awning yet. I'll look into that one.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is are "blue chip" markets? A simple google search doesn't answer it very well.

Since 2012, I've been on the sideline watching, learning, and saving to get into real estate investing. I'm 28 yrs old now and finally have some funds saved up and set aside specifically for real estate. Not a huge amount, but what I think it enough to get started. My goal over the next 6-12 months is to finally get into RE investing. I'm a real estate agent for West Virginia and Maryland, and prior to this last week, have only ever really considered LTRs, since STRs aren't popular in my area. About a week ago, I had a meeting with a fellow BP member who really opened my eyes to the STR potential. I've been doing a lot of reading over the last week, and now seem to be learning more towards starting my portfolio with STRs rather than LTRs. The CoC seems to be very appealing, and of course that is important when starting out since my cash reserves is pretty limited. I'm more open to investing out of state now, since my local market is "challenging" to become a full time real estate investor. I know it can be done, but if I can accelerate myself by starting out of state then later move back into my area as opportunities become available, then I'd like to at least see the options available.

Here's my question: Does anyone have any recommendations on where to start out for someone who is new to STRs? If anyone has any experience working with a specific group or course, I'd love to hear your input. Access to data is huge, and I know many people spend a many thousands dollars on courses to get started and to get access to tools. Does anyone have any recommendations for me that would be helpful? 

Thanks and best regards!