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All Forum Posts by: Steve A.

Steve A. has started 18 posts and replied 58 times.

Post: Help with a portfolio lender

Steve A.Posted
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 19

Hi Bob,

That sounds like a dream come true. It's impossible to grow at a reasonable pace buying in cash. I left you a voicemail and will shoot you an email now, since I will be tied up off and on today.

Post: Help with a portfolio lender

Steve A.Posted
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 19

I am in a bizarre situation. I own more than 20 units but acquired them all last year. I've had some for only 2-3 months. There are eleven buildings, half were cash purchases and half have conventional 30 years. I have two years of tax returns, but it take advantage of all my writeoffs, so they only say 13k and 13k. I cashflow much more than that, obviously.

I quit my 50k salaried finance job last year and took a job in oil and gas. The base for this job is 24k/year but we get day rate bonuses that drives this up to 120-150k per year.

I am struggling to find financing. I will be acquiring new properties in June. I don't think I will be able to go conventional. Does anyone have a good portfolio lender who would work with me? I have to finance and stop buying in cash if I want to grow.

dude, this is awesome!

I am a fellow minimalist/frugal guy. In fact, I don't even live in a house myself... I live in a Winnebago Rialta and I love it!

Cut your expenses down to $500/mo and you will have money to invest in RE no matter your income 

Inspirational!

Post: I have 30 units, but I want to build an empire

Steve A.Posted
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 19
Originally posted by @Jennifer T.:

@Steve A., Ironically, just a couple weeks ago, I happened to read your post from last January.

I'm sorry to hear your internet business has fizzled out quite a bit, but that was exactly what you were worried about in your previous post and hence wanted to diversify into REI. Congrats on sticking with that strategy!

Thanks, I am hoping my current strategy works out the same way, as planned.  I really hope oil goes up or stabilizes, because if not, this entire plan can be scrapped.  There's no other industry that will hire me for six figures.

Post: I have 30 units, but I want to build an empire

Steve A.Posted
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 19

The Warren Buffett quote sold me. I'll be using leverage, probably only 70% though.  Hopefully it works out. If things get tight I can always go back to a job.

Post: I have 30 units, but I want to build an empire

Steve A.Posted
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 19
Originally posted by @Petar Skobic:

@Steve A. Are all of your investments in the Indianapolis area? There are a lot of topics in your post, but I would agree with Travis here that you are better off leveraging for as long as you can. In fact, if I were you, I would be doing cash out refinancing on the properties you bought for cash and use that money for future down payments. When it comes to security, you may see things differently, but I actually feel more secure when I buy properties with the bank's money and keep my cash in my pocket, figuratively speaking.

 Yes, they are.  I plan to diversify out eventually, but probably not until I hit 60 or so units, maybe not even then.  

It's cool that you guys are recommending leverage, as the numbers with leverage certainly look alot juicier than without.  Would you recommend this to a "normal" person or are you just doing so because of my high paying job and crazy low expenses?  The reason I ask is because I see alot of cautionary leverage posts around here, too.

If I stick around for 3 years, the amount of property I could get using 70% leverage would be pretty sickening. 

Post: I have 30 units, but I want to build an empire

Steve A.Posted
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 19

Thanks Travis, I actually mapped all this out in excel awhile back, but thought I would post the plan on here to make sure I'm not crazy.  I have never dealt with this much cash before.  I see what you're saying in that you can expand faster with loans, but at what point does one start buying in cash to take slower growth for more security?

Post: I have 30 units, but I want to build an empire

Steve A.Posted
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 19
Originally posted by @Kyle Hipp:

I think you should look into the financing aspect more. A commercial/portfolio loan is roughly 5% interest. The interest difference is quite small in my experience. The main difference is the amortization from a 30 year on conventional to a 15-20 for commercial/portfolio loan. With your equity position and available cash flow you should be able to have plenty of adjustment room to accomplish your goals. It sounds like yu are partnering for financing reasons which takes away 50% of your cash flow on a child partnered deal. That  plenty of spread to accomplish your expansion goals of what you very stated.

Interesting, I will consider this.  Do you have a recommendation for a lender offering what you mentioned?

Post: I have 30 units, but I want to build an empire

Steve A.Posted
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 19
Originally posted by @Travis Beehler:
Originally posted by @Jerry Poon:

@Steve A. How did you manage to get 30 units in 1 year??

 I'm with Jerry,

How did you get 30 units in a year?  I'm also curious about how you got 30 year loans?  I do all my financing via commercial lenders, and they are only 20 year lenders.

Also, just to be a teasing jerk, it's "strike when the iron is hot", not the anvil.  Ha!

Travis

Good call...I always get colloquialisms wrong.  For the financed ones, I still had a job at that point.  The rest were cash.  I was able to buy so many because I made a load of money from the internet.

Post: I have 30 units, but I want to build an empire

Steve A.Posted
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 19
Originally posted by @Ryan Jackson:

Don't count on that oilfield job for several years with the current economy. Shale production is not as profitable with current crude price, if at all, and OPEC is more than happy to run them out and suck up the loss. It could also turn around and be a non-issue, I would have an exit plan for the current job if it disappears.

Yes indeed!  Thank you for the words of caution.  I do have an exit plan that would allow me to make an active $10k/month, but it wouldn't qualify me for financing and I would go insane if I had to do it year round.