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All Forum Posts by: Cristal A.

Cristal A. has started 1 posts and replied 7 times.

Originally posted by @Scott Mac:
Originally posted by @Cristal A.:

Thanks so much everyone for your help with this. Love you all lol😘

 Well let us know what happens as things move along....(this is an interesting thread).

Will do.

Thanks so much everyone for your help with this. Love you all lol😘

Originally posted by @Drew Sygit:

Just to set the record straight, the city can't require you to replace the 60 amp panel because it is "grand-fathered" - meaning if it was up to code when it was installed they can't force you to replace it now or in the future. 

This doesn't mean you shouldn't replace it and upgrade the wiring, especially if you're having problems with it.

Would highly recommend hiring a master residential electrician, not commercial, and have them give a complete writeup of what is wrong. 

THEN you can make a solid, informed decision.

We recently had a similar intermittent electrical problem on a Class C Detroit property. Hired a master electrician who found a bad connection from DTE - that DTE had missed when they were brought out to inspect. The electrician was very specific where the problem was, which we relayed to DTE and they finally 

Thanks a bunch


Appreciate all the replies, thank you

Originally posted by @James Wise:
Originally posted by @George P.:

sounds like the electrician is an idiot. was he licensed? he's supposed to put at LEAST 100amp panel and fix all the issues. seems like he did the bare minimum to get paid. we manage and update a T O N of houses west of telegraph and we never have "floating neutral" issues.

get a new electrician and make the tenant happy. 

you "not being present" has nothing to do with the issues around the house. you do not need to be present in order to make sure it's done right.

 Yea I really think you've just hired the wrong electrician here. Get the right one in there to upgrade the service to the home and stop going to the house with your contractors when they do service calls. That's not something you need to be doing. Just get yourself the right people. If I had to guess you're probably trying to hire the cheapest contractors. Stop doing that. It doesn't pay off in the end. Heck, your time having to go with these people and babysit them why they trouble shoot problems in the home is worth more than the difference between a top guy and a Chuck with a Truck off Craigslist any day.

Lol you're right I am frugal and I'm working on that. Thanks for the tips.

Originally posted by @Scott Mac:

What @James Wisesaid.

Plus, 60 amps, that might be old 110V service and those old fabric covered wires.

The flickering and surging might be the OLDEN DAYS fabric wires arcing inside the walls (a fire on it's way to starting).

Even if the outlets have 3 prong holes and you see some ROMEX, it doesn't mean they redid the whole system with ROMEX, there will be hidden from view junction boxes that might still have old wire in them, or old plastered over live wires.

Fix it quick--flickering and surging is not a good thing--it's very dangerous.

You may be forced by law to bring it up to current code, GFCI Breakers, etc... ($$$$)

And make sure the smoke detectors are up (not expired) and working properly.

I shudder to think how you will feel if someone burns to death in there.

>>>>What @James Wise said<<<< Get a GOOD Licenced Electrician in there ASAP...

And some of those old houses have no fire stops inside the walls, meaning they go up in flames very, very quickly.

Make sure the electrician "Pulls the needed Permits" and is licenced and has good references.

Yikes! Thanks for all tips I'm on it,  and working on finding a good licensed electrician.  Here's the panel at the house for any experts on here.  Like I said I've never had any power complaints with previous tenants with the 60 amps. I'll upgrade but still want her out of there. 

Thanks. Hard to find a trust worthy electrician. He was a licensed journeyman not master and was at the house about 2 hours and at first said it was her fridge causing the issue then later said it wasn't and  needed to go back and "troubleshoot" some more. And this was after the tenant gave him her number and I saw them on the porch laughing and flirting. May have been paranoid,  but became suspicious and though they were going to try to "hustle me" together.  I don't really trust her either as she had shown some hostility towards me for whatever reason. But everytime she has called with a problem I've gone right over or sent someone to fix it. Also forgot to mention that she did disassemble the panel box and send me a text of the wires,  saying that it was hazard which was not necessary. I do plan on upgrading the amps even though its not required cause the house is 1940s and was grandfathered. But I do want her out to upgrade and start over again because I do sense some resentment and the communication has not been good, just don't want to be charged with retaliation when I don't renew or have to evict..

Hello there, 

I'm in Michigan with a Section 8/Hud Vash tenant who has 3 more months on an initial lease.  

Inherited a house from my mother 11 years ago and jumped in after researching landlord/tenant laws in Mich, but admit I make some stupid  mistakes and learning from them as I go. About 8 months in,  she complained about power issues in the house: "low power in some rooms, too much power in others, flickering lights, etc. I also work 9-5 so I sent a contractor in (without me present (I know, mistake, but he sent me pics) who said there was 6 wet/corroded breakers due to water entering the box. Repairs were invoiced/ completed, then 4 days later I received a notice from sec 8 inspector that said that there were power surges all over the house: when she turns on basement stairwell lights, the stove power goes out and when turning on hallway light, the fan goes out in the bedroom, with 30 days to repair. Went back over there with contractor and none of those issued were happening. Inspector returns in 30 days and i passed, but I also wasnt allowed to present on this one.. She calls again a few days later saying power is still "wacky",  low in the kitchen and she can only plug and use appliances one at a time. Told her to call the electric company as the electrician did mention that it could be a "floating neutral" whatever that means, otherwise I told her shes free to break the lease.  Admit I made mistake again not being present when energy company showed up but they never give you exact time, and I assume there was no issues on their end because the tenant said nothing. Section 8 case manager emails me a mutual lease termination form. I signed, sent it back along with the required notice to quit termination of lease. 3rd mistake: not having her sign it first. She never signed and then called the city inspector because I received call from a city inspector saying that the property is not registered as a rental and also that the tenant showed him a video of appliances shutting off and the panel is only 60 amps with no main breaker. Previous tenants of 6 years never complained about any power issues and growing up in the house and mother owned it 30 Year's  never did either.

So i know made plenty mistakes here, but her lease will also be terminating in 3 months.  My concern is  that there is a MI law that states that if an eviction or non renewal of lease is initiated within 90 days of tenant contacting an inspector it will be presumed that the eviction/non renewal is an act of retaliation, but after 90 days the tenant will have the burden of proof. Would you non renew the lease with section at the risk of tenant claiming retaliation?  Or go mtm and try to terminate later. I was going to use the good cause reason that I would be removing the property from the market for renovations/upgrades, which is what I also told city inspector for why I haven't and won't be registering the property with the city.  The tenant is a veteran (Hud Vash) program and has mental health issues also. Thanks for reading if you read this far and appreciate any responses.