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All Forum Posts by: Craig Moore

Craig Moore has started 40 posts and replied 187 times.

Post: Buying Lists in bulk. Percentage rate of a deal?

Craig MoorePosted
  • Commercial Property Manager/Facilities Manager
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 41
Originally posted by @Gerardo Dominguez:

It's all numbers game.  On average, you can expect 2-3% response rate and ~30 callbacks for 1 completed deal.  So I think 4444 leads can realistically lead to 4 completed deals.    The questions then becomes, how many deals do you want?  If you want 4, then the size list you have seems appropriate.  A couple of things to consider...

1) Can you handle the call volume?  If you send out that list today and only 1% calls you back that's ~44 calls.  At 3%, that ~133 calls.  Each call involves some combination of analysis, inspecting the property, negotiation and putting together a deal; aka time and effort beyond picking up the phone.

2) You need to hit your list multiple times.  You will likely not get any deals off your first mailings but your odds increase with multiple mailings.

3) Past experience does not equal future results.  Make sure you're only spending money that you can stand to lose.  In other words, make your peace with the idea that those ~4K leads can result in 0 or more deals.

4) Make sure your list makes sense.  What filters are you using on ListSource?  If you have a list of 4K un-motivated sellers, you're likely not going to close any deals.

Let us know how your campaign turns out.  Good luck!

 Thanks, Gerardo!

These are some awesome answers and #1 is something that I did not even consider. I think a realistic number could be about 2K mailings, what is an average number? What is a comfortable number? I will have to sit down with my mentor(s) to get together sensible filters so that this can be as efficient as possible.

Post: Can I acquire 21 $200 per month doors in five years?

Craig MoorePosted
  • Commercial Property Manager/Facilities Manager
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 41
Originally posted by @Scott Trench:

When many folks ask this question, they have a fundamental misunderstanding of how investing and compounding works, as it pertains to both business and real estate.

Most people approach getting to 21 doors in 5 years like this:

Year 1: Buy 4

Year 2: Buy 4

Year 3: Buy 4

Year 4: Buy 4

Year 5: Buy 5

Total - 21. 

In reality, the guy who achieves this goal is going to pursue a path that looks more like this:

Year 1: Buy 1

Year 2: Buy 2

Year 3: Buy 4

Year 4: Buy 6

Year 5: Buy 8

This is the power of compounding. The first property is a huge struggle to learn, adapt, DIY, grow, and make mistaks. The 21st property is just another cog in your system.

It's not just the dollars that you will have available to purchase real estate with that are compounding. It will be your ability to run a scalable real estate business that should compound as well, as you consume more knowledge, and gain practical experience.

If you apply yourself diligently to your pursuit of real estate you'll find that deals begin to present themselves to you, that lenders will be more willing to work with you to finance your deals, and that other individuals might be interested in giving you cash to partner on your purchases. 

So yes, it is possible to get to 21 doors like that in 5 years. Just expect the growth to be exponential, and to come at the tail end, not linear. It's unsatisfying at the beginning. But exponentially rewarding down the line.

 Awesome reply.. Wow! I must implement this into my strategy. Slow and steady wins the race.

Post: Buying Lists in bulk. Percentage rate of a deal?

Craig MoorePosted
  • Commercial Property Manager/Facilities Manager
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 41

Hi BP,

I just signed up for ListSource through my company and apparently they have bulk prices/deals. Here is one:

For $600 I could get 4,444 leads. If my math is correct, if I get ONE deal out of these 4,444, which is 0.022% then we're getting somewhere. I am about $15-$17k away from purchasing my first multi-family at 5% with no PMI. I have to get the capital and I am strongly considering this. I know this will not be easy and that I need to run the numbers, have a buyer's list ready (which I am steadily building), and get the deals done. But let's say my deals accounted for only 1% of the 4,444, that's 4 deals. I have also taken into account mailing costs, I do not suspect they will be a big issue for me.

My vision may be greatly skewed, which is why I am here to ask these questions. What are you all's thoughts on this?

P.S. a friend of mine just told me to only buy what I'm going to use, so what would you all say is a good amount to buy? Do I need 4,444? Thoughts?

Post: Seller Financing Limitations?

Craig MoorePosted
  • Commercial Property Manager/Facilities Manager
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 41

Hi BP,

I have a question. I am a fairly new REI and I am wondering, is seller financing limited to networking/off market deals only? Is it unethical to post/ask if someone is or is not providing seller financing via BiggerPockets forums? I admittedly do not know the protocol but I am assuming the former. Thanks for the help!

Post: Putting together your marketing letter (Question)

Craig MoorePosted
  • Commercial Property Manager/Facilities Manager
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 41

Hi BP,

I've been reading through the site and looking at different tips from you all (thanks btw). I, however, haven't found a thread on what to include in my direct mail letter. I am ready to begin sending out letters but don't know where to start, what a standard/above average letter looks like or if letters are even the method of choice! Can you all please help me with your advice on what I should be including in my letters, if they should be letters and how I can create opportunities via direct mail.

Thanks!

Post: How to avoid PMI? Is this possible? (FHA Buyer)

Craig MoorePosted
  • Commercial Property Manager/Facilities Manager
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 41
Originally posted by @Maureen F.:

No not for the MassHousing loan. That's true for the ONE Mortgage and the NACA.

 Ah, thank you so much for the clarification.

Post: How to avoid PMI? Is this possible? (FHA Buyer)

Craig MoorePosted
  • Commercial Property Manager/Facilities Manager
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 41
Originally posted by @Maureen F.:

Craig, I'm working with a family member who has applied for the MassHousing loan and we've never seen the 10 year requirement that you mention.  I suggest you contact the Agency or one of the participating lenders for more info.

 I will surely contact them. Another requirement I've seen is that you must live in the house (as your primary residence) for the duration of the loan/until it's paid off. Have you seen this?

Post: How to avoid PMI? Is this possible? (FHA Buyer)

Craig MoorePosted
  • Commercial Property Manager/Facilities Manager
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 41
Originally posted by @Maureen F.:

The MHP ONE Mortgage program doesn't require PMI and has the lowest interest rate around. MassHousing also has loans, they have PMI but it's much better (lower cost mortgage insurance) than FHA. NACA (Neighborhood Assistance Corp of America) also has favorable terms, although I've heard it's a long and painful process. City of Boston has a Home Center which should be able to guide you, they have a First Time Homebuyers course which is required if you're looking for their financial assistance.

 Maureen, I've been looking into this but not thoroughly enough. I've seen loans through MassHousing that require you to live in the house for a minimum of 10 years. I do not think that is realistic for me. Have you found this?

Post: How to avoid PMI? Is this possible? (FHA Buyer)

Craig MoorePosted
  • Commercial Property Manager/Facilities Manager
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 41
Originally posted by @Nicholas W.:

Is this for an owner occupy property? If so I did get a loan on my own home with 3% down and no PMI. It was a special loan offered by my bank the only kicker was that the interest rate was a half point higher.

 Hey Nick,

This will be an owner-occupied property. Doesn't the point increase in interest offset the absence of PMI? Basically they're still getting it just from another source?

Post: How to avoid PMI? Is this possible? (FHA Buyer)

Craig MoorePosted
  • Commercial Property Manager/Facilities Manager
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 41

Hi All,

I was wondering if any of you had any advice on how I could avoid, if at all, private mortgage insurance. I have heard that this is a significant chunk of your monthly cash flow and if I can avoid it or shrink the number that would be great. Also, if you have any recommendations of banks/lenders that don't require PMI (if this is a realistic expectation) in the Boston area please let me know.

Thanks!