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All Forum Posts by: Craig I.

Craig I. has started 4 posts and replied 20 times.

Post: Anxiety of buying my 1st out of state property

Craig I.
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Quote from @Michael Smythe:

@Craig I. first thing to do is pick a market and learn it!

Second, pick a Class of properties to target in that market:

Our OPINION for the Metro Detroit market (always verify each area for yourself!):

Class A Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% the more recent norm.
Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 680+, zero evictions in last 7 years.

Class B Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, decent amount of relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% should be applied only if proper research done to support.
Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 620-680, some blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 5 years

Class C Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, high cashflow and at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation. Can try to reposition to Class B, but neighborhood may impede these efforts.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, but 15-20% should be used to also cover nonpayment, eviction costs & damages.
Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores of 560-620, many blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 2 years. Verifying last 2 years of rental history very important! Also, focus on 2 years of job/income stability.

Class D Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, all cashflow with zero or negative relative rent & value appreciation
Vacancy Est: 20%+ should be used to cover nonpayment, evictions & damages.
Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores under 560, little to no good tradelines, lots of collections & chargeoffs, recent evictions. Verifying last 2 years of rental history and income extremely important to find the “best of the worst”.

Make sure you understand the Class of properties you are looking at and the corresponding results to expect.

 @Michael Smythe this is fire! Thank for sharing this classification list, this helpful as I've seen the various 'classes' of homes but never really looked into the definition of each one. Thank you!

Post: Anxiety of buying my 1st out of state property

Craig I.
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  • California
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Quote from @Nathan Harden:

My first ever Buy&Holds were out of state.. You mentioned that you live in Cali and the house you are looking at has a basement... Midwest perhaps? If so, I did the same thing. I live in WA state and bought my first 4 properties in Ohio.

Word to the wise, it can look good on paper but the old saying "you get what you pay for" holds very true in a lot of those markets. Be careful where spending your money over there. You can strike Gold or be dead in the water. I recommend visiting the area first. A $500 plane ticket could just save your bank account.


Thanks for sharing! When you bought in OH how many trips did you take out there? If you did go out, what did your visit look like in regards to an agenda? 

I see that your also a Real Estate agent, what drew you to OH? 

Post: Anxiety of buying my 1st out of state property

Craig I.
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Quote from @Joe Funari:

@Craig I. I would recommend you connect with a fellow investor/realtor in the specific market you are interested in. I work in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area. My focus is helping fellow investors buy and sell investment properties. My contacts become my clients contacts. This includes lenders, insurance carriers, contractors, and preferred property management companies. Regarding your questions on utilities make sure the multifamily property has separate utilities for each unit. Here in the DFW area tenants pay their own rents. Owners are paying the utilities and separating them because there isn't separate meters. Regarding A/C it isn't optional here in Texas. But watch out for window units. I recommend central A/C for each unit. Regarding existing tenants you want to know what the current rents are and when leases expire. If month-to-month make sure you know the rents for the unit in question. Give them notice of rent increase. Because odds are they are paying below market rents. I look forward to meeting you if you plan to add Dallas/Ft. Worth area to your custom search. I will be happy to share my experience to help you avoid potential pitfalls. 


 Thanks for these tips. Appreciate it.

Post: Anxiety of buying my 1st out of state property

Craig I.
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Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Craig I.

OK.  your questions were all good, but that's all information you need to know before you even offer.

and 2 visits probably won't be enough because you'll sell yourself on something you see and try to make it work.

I couldn't agree more. I'm planning to research on these questions independently, but wanted to ask this community based on experiences. 

Also, I'm willing to make any and all applicable visits required but I'm planning to make each visit laser focused. @Nicholas L. In your experience how many visits do you expect are required to account for all the random variables. I'd like to properly account for this in my cost for acquisition and ownership for roi use cases. 

Post: Anxiety of buying my 1st out of state property

Craig I.
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Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Craig I.

are you going to go to your chosen market in person and and put some time, legwork and networking in?

if you're not - i am not sure what to tell you.  the market is unforgiving right now and no one is going to look out for you the way you will look out for you.

Yes, I'm planning to schedule some time to visit the market. On my agenda I plan to meet with my realtor, a couple of proposed property managers, and visit a couple dozen potential listings. I'm also planning to insert myself in the market and try to find an Airbnb in two or three key areas to get a better idea of the area during the day/night. I think this will help me get a better feel for the desirablity of living there. 

Upon closing on the deal, I plan to also conduct another visit to address the logistical elements of getting everything set up and finalized. 

Post: Anxiety of buying my 1st out of state property

Craig I.
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I'm in the process of searching for my FIRST OUT OF STATE MF property.  I'm putting my best foot forward on this, but as I'm getting closer and closer to making this a reality, I'm getting more anxious. Hoping that I can get tips on any of the following questions so that I get best put my nerves at ease. Trying to avoid analysis paralysis...

Property: 

1. What are the top things to inspect on a Multi Family property? If there are issues with these items are these major red flags?

2. Utilities, I'm hearing that there are cases where owners may be paying some of the utilities vs the tenant. What are the challenges with this and does this make managing the property vastly more complex? (I'm planning to use a property manager)

3. Air Conditioning, if an city is hit or miss with A/C units does this play a large factor on rent and/or property values? If there isn't one present, has anyone seen any ROI benefits of the installation?

4. Basements, so I'm in CA and basements are not a thing...anything key to be on the lookout for?

Existing Renters

1. If a property has existing renters are what are key questions or top of mind items to be thinking about when acquiring the property with existing renters?

2. If the existing renters are month to month, are there any best practices to recommend when acquiring/closing on the deal?

3. If the existing rent $$  is subpar, are there any best practices to increase or obtain new renters?

Property Management

1. What are key questions to ask to aid in the vetting process?

Post: New to real estate investments

Craig I.
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Quote from @Michael Smythe:

One other challenge with LLC's is that you will have to pay annual filing fees in both the state you live in and the state where the properties are.

Great point here. I'm definitely weighing the pros/cons of the LLC as this is my initial investment with real estate. I'm still considering myself as a small fish the grand scheme of everything.

Post: New to real estate investments

Craig I.
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Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Craig I.

read this thread:

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/48/topics/1159104-overl...

then at least consider investing in a local or closer market.

also strongly recommend house hacking.


 Thanks for sharing this, it was insightful to see journey of another Bay Area investor.


I've also considered house hacking, but I'm in a unique situation where I'm living with family and per the arrangement I'm taking care of all bills. Otherwise, house hacking would be my go to strategy.

Post: [California SF Bay Area] Build on the land or sell?

Craig I.
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@Nicola Rutherford What you stated lines up with some of my research. Thanks for your insights on the topic.

Post: New to real estate investments

Craig I.
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@Account Closed I read your post and that was FIRE! Love it. 

Thanks for your insights, your original post has gotten me all fired up and eager to learn more.