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All Forum Posts by: David S.

David S. has started 31 posts and replied 196 times.

Post: Purchased a condemned property (without knowing it). Next steps?

David S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Larkspur, CO
  • Posts 198
  • Votes 180
Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Veena Vaidyanathan:

I had a real estate agent represent me however they did nothing to uncover this.


 That was the 1st mistake using an agent. I never have or will. 


 Please elaborate on this perspective Bob. If you’re not using an agent, how are you buying? Thanks

Post: What is your “in” to off market deals?

David S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Larkspur, CO
  • Posts 198
  • Votes 180

Hey all, I’m curious what unique “ins” some of you may have to off market deals? I just had a tub refinish quoted and the owner of the business told me he flips homes on the side and finds them through the job quotes he performs. That’s clever! 
That had me thinking; Being a previous Financial Advisor, I could offer debt counseling or other financial advice, even on a non-profit basis to see what kind of leads that might generate for homes in distress. 

What interesting ways do you have of finding off market deals that do not involve driving for dollars or being a wholesaler? 

Post: The Home Equity "Myth"

David S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Larkspur, CO
  • Posts 198
  • Votes 180
Quote from @John Carbone:

Generally, when people don't have as much equity as they think, they feel less wealthy. They are less likely to spend money. This lowers GDP, which can lead to recessions (although they changed the methodology to not measure a recession by GDP so maybe this part isn't applicable.) Velocity of money decreases, which is deflationary. Also, if someone is told they have equity by a bank of "X" amount, homeowners can (and they have over the past 2 years at record levels) borrow against their house. The HELOC's are generally variable rate mortgages and up to 80% of the "appraised" value. This increases payment, and depending on the homeowners financial position, they could be in trouble. As much as most on BP would like to think that most people are taking out HELOC's for investment properties, the reality is the money is taken out for leisure.

With interest rates where they are now (owner occupied >7%), home prices can not rise further from here. If rates go back lower, then sure, prices can rise. But based on the facts now, and what we are being told by the FED, home values will not rise. I personally think median home values in the country will drop 20-30% and then stagnate until interest rates get cut again.

Yes, if you bought a house to live in for 30 years and never sell then price is irrelevent because you need a place to live and you can make the payment. A mistake will be to call up the bank though, get an appraisal, and feel like you have a windfall allowing you to rack up credit card debt because as a last resort, in your mind you have 'home equity" as a safety net.

Contrary to what most people will say, buyers have more options than sellers. Buyers are already living somewhere, so it's not like if they don't buy they will be on the streets. However, think of it like this, lets say your next door neighbor passes away and their family sells the house. They list their house at a price an "appraisal" thinks the home is worth (this is also numer you base your equity on", but they get no offers at this price level (buyers simply can't afford the payment) because rates are above 7%. These people need to sell though, and because home value went up so high they have room to lower without coming out of pocket. Someone makes an offer for 25% below asking, and they accept. This sale goes on the books (not as a foreclosure.) Your other next door neighbor gets laid off and can no longer make the payment, they decide to move in with family. They have 2 months reserves to pay the mortgage but beyond that they risk foreclosure, they need to sell (same as before.) This all snowballs quickly across markets all across the country.

The shortage in housing is both temporary and partially an illusion. If it weren't an illusion you would have gainfully employed people living on the streets. Apart from some major cities, I don't see that happening.

Over the next few months people will take the bait and buy in at these high prices. the longer rates stay higher though, the pool of qualified buyers will be depleted, and if the fed doesn't cut rates at this point, then the prices start to come down and fast.

@JD Martin is a little insulated in his small town Tennessee bubble. He has a good thing going on there, i'm talking about the major metro markets where most of the population lives. His market before covid people were people making $10 an hour. These people now make probably $20 and can afford higher rents.

 I think you’re on to a lot of truth John. Americans who are not wealthy (the vast majority) have a tendency to spend what they make. Pay raise? New car. Stimulus? New clothes. And so it goes. Most Americans are statistically strapped for cash all the time, and housing has been creeping up over the years to become almost 40% of their expenditures now? That’s not a number that can afford much more upside, and as a result we’re seeing a huge uptick in multi-gen households as well as homes being rented by the room. This benefits low cost markers disproportionately and I think they’ll weather this storm relatively well, but markets like San Fran, Seattle, etc will hurt, and probably in a bad way. I can only believe we will see a strong cost of living migration emerge as inflation continues to force cost cutting at all cost. 
I suspect we’ll see a 10-20% drop in home prices. It’s also politically advantageous to kick the legs out from under housing (and energy prices) to generate positive inflation headlines, though if that can happen before midterms, we’ll have to see. 

Generally I don’t see a lot of upside to real estate over the next 5 years outside of local hot spots. To me real estate is a store of value that’s tangible, in need, and tax advantaged and if you can get appreciation on top of that it’s a nice bonus, but I’m not counting on it to play the game. I love the ability to generate sweat equity too, even in a depreciating market so long you’re not leveraged much. This notion that prices can somehow consistently outstrip wages is of course bunk over the long term. But I also believe the days of 2-3% inflation are now in the rear view mirror. The amount of money we have to print just to service debt in this nation, especially as rates increase, creates a bit of an inflationary trap. And that makes sense; You can’t print 30 trillion and counting and pretend it won’t come home to roost. That money must be paid one way or another, and inflation is the obvious way we’ll continue to pay it when we refuse to acknowledge it otherwise. For that reason I’ll keep my money in housing, but yes, I suspect we’ll see at minimum a 10% price drop, but more like 20%. But compared to most 401k’s that’ll be smooth sailing, especially for those of us invested in low cost of living markets, building sweat equity consistently. 
It’ll be interesting to see though; With rates climbing so fast, few people with a 30yr mortgage will be willing to sell, unless they’re moving in with another to consolidate households, pass away from age or move into assisted care, or got a killer promotion/job and have to relocate. But supply should remain very tight. In the end, people can only pay what they can pay no matter how tight the market, and prices WILL drop. 
Rents will likely outstrip wages for some time, many of them falling into need of section 8 assistance, which is something we’re now looking to get into as I believe it’s the wave of the future. More inflation will drive more government assistance and a more dependent voter which is a boon to those pulling the strings. The majority of society will be dependent on one form of welfare/wealth redistribution before you know it, and I do believe that’ll also lead to some nefarious political opportunism that its likely to change the trajectory of this republic (“if you can keep it”) sadly. I hate the thought of section 8 as anything that comes from government inevitably comes with political strings attached, as our schools have shown first hand. But that’s the way it’s clearly going. Persistent inflation will push many into genuine need within just a decade at this rate. 

Post: I got 210k to invest

David S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Larkspur, CO
  • Posts 198
  • Votes 180

I don’t think a duplex is in the cards in MD for $210k, at least not something a beginner would want to bite off. 
Personally I’d wait out a softening in this market over winter as these elevated rates suck the wind out of buyer’s sails. Keep learning, don’t worry about interest rates, and perhaps bite when prices drop 10%. Eventually you’ll be able to refi at a lower rate is my bet. 
I would be in no rush at this specific time. 

Post: Should I go into house flipping without experience?

David S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Larkspur, CO
  • Posts 198
  • Votes 180
Quote from @Galit Garsiel:

I own an apartment and want to sell it, buy a house in need of repairs, and sell it. I don't have experience, but can pay for a good real estate investment advisor.

Should I go into house flipping even though I don't have experience?


Your question is woefully over-simplified. What exactly does a good “real estate investment advisor” look like and why wouldn’t this person buy the home you should be buying? 
I’m going to go with this; If you’ve never swung a hammer, no. If you have building skills, find a place you like and go for it. Sweat equity is a fantastic tool if you can do the work. You don’t need an advisor here, especially as this marker rapidly becomes a buyer’s marker. What you need is a good home inspector with a contractor background to cover your *** up front.  

Post: What does your perfect, low maintenance rental home look like?

David S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Larkspur, CO
  • Posts 198
  • Votes 180

My wife and I do a hybrid of flipping and long term rentals on single fam homes. I‘ve come to realize that some homes make better flips and some better rentals based on their floor plan, build, and the age of major items/systems. 

My question specifically: In your eyes, what are you looking for in a house that makes it a great, low maintenance rental? 

At this point I’m looking for ranch style homes with good roofs (none flat), furnace/AC mid life or better, brick exterior is a bonus, double pane windows, younger than 1950’s. If it’s a two story, that’s OK, but preferably no bathrooms on the second floor, certainly no tubs or showers up there. I also try to stay away from finished basements for the risk of water damage and mold in my climate. 

What are your criteria? Have these criteria saved you a lot of money over time? 


Post: A lot of "Air Bnb Ready" properties for sale ...

David S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Larkspur, CO
  • Posts 198
  • Votes 180

Oh, and the other factor is that American's are losing their marbles at unprecedented rates. Obviously that anecdotal (mostly) but look around... I think the incidence of "needy" or "trouble" renters is absolutely higher than ever. This has to be causing a lot of investors to reconsider after one too many headaches. LT can be hard enough... I've never done ST and I'm not sure I'm up for it honestly. 

Don't forget services like furnishedfinder if you did opt to buy one. The market for traveling nurses and temporary job assignments seems to have legs.

Post: A lot of "Air Bnb Ready" properties for sale ...

David S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Larkspur, CO
  • Posts 198
  • Votes 180

Totally agree. While flights are still full, the amount of discretionary income people have is obviously falling, and fast, and with little end in sight for a while. Not the market I want to have an STR in personally. What seems to have happened is that a lot of buyers got excited when STR occupancy went sky high along with nightly rates due to pent up demand from C19. Hop on a platform like AirDNA and their data sets/charts only plot back about 12 months, so visually it looked like a GREAT time to get in to STR's. I almost made this mistake before I realized what was going on and that this market was A. inflated, and B. overheating as a result.

FL is a great example of this. We were interested in investing out there for LT rentals, but realized that inflation would eventually lead thousand, if not tens of thousands of STR's to become LT rentals over the next 5-10 years. If anything I feel the case for this scenario has only increased over the last 6 months.

If I were getting into the STR space right now, I'd only do so if I had a very unique property. You want something hard to reproduce here. Otherwise you're swimming in a sea of similar properties while Americans have less money to spend and cleaning rates are jumping like every other service.

Post: National Newspaper Wants BP Community's Input!

David S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Larkspur, CO
  • Posts 198
  • Votes 180
Quote from @Steven Foster Wilson:
Quote from @Scott Trench:

A reporter from a national newspaper that you've all definitely heard of reached out with some questions for me. She told me that she wanted to hear from some REAL investors, and I told her that I know just the place! 

Please find her questions below, and note that by replying here, you are agreeing to have your responses republished or quoted by that newspaper! 


Questions:

-When did you buy your investment property recently/where (city/state), how much did you pay, how big is it? 

-How much are you hoping to make on the investment? How much have you made so far?

- If you are planning to buy an investment property soon, how come? 

- What are you looking for and how come you think now is a good time?

- What advice would you give to others thinking about this decision? Anything surprise you?

-First/last name, age, profession, city/state where they live-email for follow up questions


This is an exception to our normal forum rules - you can post contact information here, for the reporter to reach out (or you can DM it to me, if you don't want to post it to the forum). 


Thanks in advance for any help with this!

Also, I want to quickly call out that this is my 2,000th forum post

It's been a wild ride and I've learned so much from this community. Thank you to everyone who's asked a great question, answered one of mine, or corrected me the many times I've been wrong or given terrible advice here. This community is just incredible and I'm very grateful.


-When did you buy your investment property recently/where (city/state), how much did you pay, how big is it? I bought a 4 bedroom 1 1/2 duplex (per side) in Columbus OH for $198k. I bought this duplex in April of 2022 and refinanced in June of 2022.

-How much are you hoping to make on the investment? How much have you made so far? The property is currently grossing $2,700 in rent. Also I refinanced cashed out 1 month after I bought it for a total value of $333k (found a local bank with no seasoning period requirements) . So I got around $60k back in cash out funds after the refinance.

- What advice would you give to others thinking about this decision? Anything surprise you? I would encourage people to stay onto of looking and be quick. This deal was bought on the MLS, however I offered within the first hour of it coming on market.

-First/last name, age, profession, city/state where they live-email for follow up questions. Steven Wilson, 28, real estate agent, Columbus OH


 Steve, real quick, as an agent did you have a chance to see it in that first hour or did you put an offer out sight unseen knowing that you could walk if it was in need of more than met the eye in the listing pictures? Thanks

Post: Appliances walking off between final walk through and closing…

David S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Larkspur, CO
  • Posts 198
  • Votes 180
Quote from @Dwayne Poster:

Our local contracts are typically ‘as last viewed’, and as such, we don’t do a final walk through. Any shortfalls on possession day are itemized and driven back against the sellers.


 Driven back against the sellers? Meaning what? Taking these people to small claims is like wringing water from a rock. What other recourse is there?