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All Forum Posts by: Cole Puterbaugh

Cole Puterbaugh has started 5 posts and replied 29 times.

Post: First property needs to be a DCSR because I live abroad

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Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:

DSCR does often have prepayment penalties which will make refinancing ugly.

Bank statement loans are another choice if you are depositing your shanghai income into one account over past 12 or 24 months. 

Your address is not the problem, whoever told you that is incorrect. You need a US bank to make payments, a physical not PO box disguised address (relative in US perhaps?), US credit with 4 tradelines which it sounds like you have, anything not written in english must be translated to english by appropriate vetting, you need to go to US embassy to be notarized, and you need a team of people in the city where the property is to trust. If you don't have a local team you are burning money and the learning curve will ruin you.

"turn key cash flow vetting" hmmm I would not trust this slogan in a million years. Norada address is located inside a UPS mail box about four inches by five inches, near where I reside happy to send a photo but look it up 
30251 Golden Lantern, Suite E-261

Managing property from far far away will require a team and travel. Any management company is going to charge you a great deal more than 10% - think 75%


 This is helpful information. I'll bring this to my current lenders to see what they say.

Why do you think PM will be 75%?

Post: First property needs to be a DCSR because I live abroad

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Quote from @Ed W.:

@Cole Puterbaugh I concede I will be in the minority but I believe you are making a huge mistake to make this investment regardless of loan type.  To find and control a truly good, honest and honorable property management company is not easy and with your lack of RE investment background you don't have sufficient experience or context by which to vet them or control them or to gauge the quality of the properties you will be presented by agents.  You have a wealth of free information on BP which might help mitigate some of the problems (something us geezers who started in the 1980's didn't have) but, in my humble opinion, your lack of experience and the distance make this dicey at best.  There's an old saying - a largely true statement - that you make your money in real estate when you buy; i.e., you buy with equity built in and with cash flow built in (or easily obtainable by better managing a property that is not doing well).  By both knowledge and distance, you are poorly positioned to be certain you are getting either.

If you choose to ignore this advice, I hope that you find what I've written here doesn't apply to you for some reason unknown to me.


 I'm always grateful for candid advice, even contrarian positions. I've rarely found myself adverse to challenges and difficulties. So when I read what you wrote, I register it as "There will be challenges I cannot conceive of facing." But, to be poetic, if Frodo knew what the road to Mordor REALLY entailed, he might not have saved Middle Earth.

I am going with Norada Real Estate Investments for my first purchase. They seem to have a good team of folks who are equipped to handle these kinds of things, but I do continue to ask as many questions as I can and kick every tire.

I'd be interested in your thoughts on Norada's capabilities to handle my situation.

Post: First property needs to be a DCSR because I live abroad

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Quote from @Abdi Mahamud:

@Cole Puterbaugh I would stick with conventional since this is your first time investment and as long as you file taxes you may still have chance but you have to look for lender that work similar cases and have broader clientale, with Dscr they have pre-payment penalty for may be first 5 years, I think that will penalize you incase you want to refinance for better rates etc


Didn't know refinancing affected the prepayment penalty clause. Thanks for that information. I do have other questions about a refi 5-10 years down the road with a DSCR. Do you know what that looks like?

Post: Getting a Loan as an U.S. Expat

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Quote from @Benjamin Poole:

I am a U.S. citizen who has been living abroad for the past nine years. I work for an Australian company, so I've filed taxes in the U.S. for years as required by law, but haven't had any W2 forms. I don't own any property anywhere, but I want to purchase a home in the U.S. for investment purposes. Has anyone in a similar situation been successful at obtaining a mortgage in the U.S.?

I'm in the same spot. I've lived and worked in Shanghai since 2014. Currently trying to purchase my first home. Lenders are all telling me that I need a DSCR loan. DSCRs have slightly higher rates and extra fees attached, so make sure you do your math when you calculate cashflow.

Post: First property needs to be a DCSR because I live abroad

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Quote from @Zach Edelman:

What rate range are you looking for? DSCR loans don't have as big of a margin vs. conventional loans as you'd think right now.


As of yesterday (Friday, May 26) I was told the rates would be between 7.2 and 7.8 + origination fees of 2%.

Post: First property needs to be a DCSR because I live abroad

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Quote from @Napoleon DeCiutiis:

@Raymond J. Rodrigues is the guy you want to talk to on this!


 Thanks for the rec! I'll check him out!

Post: First property needs to be a DCSR because I live abroad

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Quote from @Eliott Elias:

You have to pay to play. There are only so many conventional loans you can take. Make sure you are buying a good enough deal to where you are still cash flowing after DSCR rates.


That seems to be the trick. It looks like DSCR loans close the profit margins just enough to still allow properties to cashflow, but not in the same way they would with a conventional loan.

Post: First property needs to be a DCSR because I live abroad

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Quote from @Stacy Raskin:

Where are you trying to buy (what state) and is it for you to live in it or to rent it out? DSCR loans are for rental properties.

Looking at growing mid-western and southeastern locations: Birmingham, Memphis, Little Rock, Columbus, OH, etc.

And yes, it's a sfr strictly for rental purposes.

Post: First property needs to be a DCSR because I live abroad

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Getting my first property soon. Will be a sfr in the states. Currently, I am a US citizen (born and raised in Florida), but I live and work in Shanghai, and I have been here since 2014. I have no formal W2, since Chinese companies don't work within US documentation constraints, but I file taxes normally and have yearly tax returns. This is probably besides the point, though.

I'm talking with a couple lenders to see my eligibility, and one has told me that fannie mae and freddie mac have become more stringent in address listings: they won't allow me to use my address in Florida since my tax residency is in Shanghai. This excludes me from getting a conventional loan and puts me into the DSCR camp.

This means that I'll have higher rates and extra fees up front as well as some other restrictions.

Is there any way around this? I'd really prefer a conventional loan if possible.