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All Forum Posts by: Cliff Benner

Cliff Benner has started 12 posts and replied 267 times.

Post: Car Wash Business Analysis

Cliff Benner
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Are you wondering more about the financials of it or operations? 

Post: What I Learned from Owning and Selling a Laundromat – Exploring a Different Asset Cla

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Quote from @Jonathan Soto:

great write up. thank you for taking your time and going in to detail. i have been looking into a business for myself but havent seen much in biz bysell that make sense. just need to keep searching


 Try looking into Crexi and Loopnet too, I find all different kinds of small businesses for sale on those websites compared to Bizbuysell.

Post: Creative financing Mobile Home Parks

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Did you find this on a Listing service like Crexi or Zillow?

Post: Creative Financing using a bank to buy a mobile home park

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Did you use a local bank that agreed to a Seller Carry in second position? Or how did you find that bank?

Post: Tips on finding Existing Outdoor Hospitality Properties for Sale

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Quote from @Mitchell Gunlock:
Quote from @Cliff Benner:

Looking for Tips on how to find places that have multiple cabins or additional dwellings on a property that I could live on and run. I am aware of Crexi, Bizbuysell, and Loopnet and reach out when I see something for sale on those sites. But I am wondering if there is any good Keywords for Zillow, or any websites where something like this may stand out more or any tips someone may have for finding these type of properties in CO.

Thanks!


 Please let me know if you find a good process


 So far, it has been setting up searches on LoopNet, Crexi, BizBuySell, and checking out Zillow with keywords like "Cabin, cabins, resort, resorts, multiple, venue, campground" That has helped me find some that I reach out to. I think talking with a Broker in the Industry would be helpful too

Post: How do you do bookkeeping and financial reporting for your rentals?

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Quote from @Simon W.:
Quote from @Saad D.:

Hi @Simon W.Thanks for replying. At Baselane, we're going to build the custom chart of accounts and Balance sheet.

Just for my own understanding, I'd like some clarification on your statements.

1. I don't really understand what you said about edit charts of accounts. If most investors, and by most I mean 95% are not accountants, then why do they need to edit chart of accounts? I'm genuinely asking to understand the use case for my self for an individual investor.

Re. balance, as someone who is a former CPA and has prepared financial statements for multi-billion $ funds, I understand the important of a balance sheet. Based on the user research we've seen most use cash flow as a proxy for performance. Many, if not most, want to have this data, but a very high % don't calculate monthly performance. They usually tally it up at the end of the year. Has that been your experience with RE investors?

My question back to you about Balance sheet is what % of RE investors that are not accountants understand what a balance sheet is and how do they actually use it? (Do they know how to use it)? Would love some actual reference to data if you have it (not anecdotal). 

Thanks

If investors are doing multiple real estate ventures, construction and rental, it would help that they can do the accounting correctly. 


If you were a former CPA, then it should know why investors should be looking at it. If no one tells them about balance sheet, then real estate investors aren't going to focus on them.

My clients are always looking at the balance sheets after I taught them the importance of it.

There are a lot of times not just real estate investors, just regular business owners, they look at the P&L and say great, I made $100K this year, but my bank is showing $10K, where is the rest of the money. The P&L isn't going to tell you that, you need to see the Balance Sheet.

Put it simply, if an investor decided to hire someone like me to start handling their books and have to gather their financial statements, I would be charging an arm and leg to put it correctly. If they are using only P&L. I would need to figure out the building and land, mortgages, contributions, improvements and such.

@Saad D. I would have to agree with @Simon W.

If I took over, or had a client ask me to clean their books, first thing I do is make the Balance Sheet crisp and clean. Everything touches the Balance Sheet and it is the only way to judge if everything is accounted for. Then coding the p&l can happen. without the Balance Sheet, I don't know if I am missing transactions. This is where about 75% of my time is spent cleaning up. 

Post: Tips on finding Existing Outdoor Hospitality Properties for Sale

Cliff Benner
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  • Denver, CO
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Looking for Tips on how to find places that have multiple cabins or additional dwellings on a property that I could live on and run. I am aware of Crexi, Bizbuysell, and Loopnet and reach out when I see something for sale on those sites. But I am wondering if there is any good Keywords for Zillow, or any websites where something like this may stand out more or any tips someone may have for finding these type of properties in CO.

Thanks!

Post: How do you do bookkeeping and financial reporting for your rentals?

Cliff Benner
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Quote from @Simon W.:

I am constantly seeing the constant push for baselane. I am a consultant and accountant so I am always open to different platforms.

My question for the baselane users here, does it generate balance sheet? cash flow reports, 12 month cash flow reports? Can you edit Chart of Accounts? Can you generate any of these reports as well as the P&L for each property? Can it consolidate all the properties into 1 report to see the overall picture?

Without these reports, you can't truly see a full picture of your financials.

I am proadvisor for both QBO and Xero. I use Buildium and AppFolio. I love Yardi Voyager. All of these platforms can do all of the above reports and more. I can never recommend any products without these simple reports.

thanks in advance for the answers.

I'm an Accountant as well, and have this issue with these more Industry or "inexpensive" Softwares for Books. I just find that they aren't worth it because of all the edits you have to make on the spreadsheet to get the same result, and one of the softwares refused to allow Journal Entries which seemed like a huge red flag to me. 

Post: How do you do bookkeeping and financial reporting for your rentals?

Cliff Benner
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I use QBO and love having the class feature, which is a bit more per month, but you have to have it to separate out transactions for properties for Tax time anyways. This allows me to show my clients how profitable each property is and how changes to the property or how they manage them affects that property. I do have them sync their bank accounts and credit cards to eliminate human error in entering items, and ask them to avoid putting personal expenses on those accounts. This allows us to automate where transactions go and we create reoccurring depreciation entries so they can see what their return will most likely look like. 

Post: Stessa vs the competition

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Quote from @Jake Baker:

@Tarcizio Goncalves

Stessa is an excellent platform for tracking income and expenses for investors; it is user-friendly. However, its downfall (and really what makes it so easy) is that it is a single-entry system.

This means there are no checks and balances to ensure all transactions are entered correctly. A double-entry system (like QuickBooks) allows you to reconcile your bank statements, ensuring no missing or duplicate transactions. I would recommend Stessa so much more if you could reconcile; hopefully, they will! Or maybe they do now since the last time I used it.

Overall, I think it’s an excellent solution for smaller portfolios because you can easily spot any discrepancies. However, if you have a more extensive portfolio or plan to become larger in the next year or two, I would look for a double-entry system that allows bank reconciliations. Most bookkeepers won’t work in it if you plan to outsource it in the future.

I use QuickBooks Online (QBO) for my flipping business, rental businesses, and bookkeeping clients. QBO has every feature you need to run a business, excellent reporting features and integration with other software. It is the most popular software in the industry, and most Tax Preparers are familiar with it, which makes tax season easier.

My Recommendation: Spreadsheets are usually fine for your first 1-3 properties. 3+ properties, you should use a software. If you plan to scale at all, I recommend QBO. If you do not like bookkeeping/accounting/technology, hire a bookkeeper specializing in real estate investors.


 This was the issue I had with Stessa, single entry and that doesn't allow for JEs.