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All Forum Posts by: Clayton Coombs

Clayton Coombs has started 9 posts and replied 57 times.

Post: How to avoid taxes with primary income from flipping properties?

Clayton CoombsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Glendale, AZ
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 69
Originally posted by @Brandon Hicks:
@Clayton Coombs

You’ve gotten a lot of short term ideas that will help. It sounds like you’re quite successful at flipping houses so I would suggest that you continue to focus on that. I don’t agree that buying rental houses is the best idea though. You’d need a ton of them to offset your flipping taxes and that would create a whole new set of problems. It takes a lot of time and effort to buy that many properties and then there’s the management of it all. It may solve your problem partly because dealing with the portfolio would cause to divert attention away from flipping and you’ll see your income drop as a result. I’d recommend that you find some good multifamily syndicators to align with that are long term hold guys and invest in their deals as a limited partner. You’d get the tax breaks you’re after as a passive investor and at some point you’d not even need to flip to generate $250-300k in income. And that income would not be taxed as aggressively as your flipping income.

 Thanks for the advice! My long term strategy is owning rental properties for passive income. I currently have 3 properties that I own free & clear and want to add 1-2 more in 2019. I'm certainly not wanting to go out and buy a bunch of properties right now just to offset my taxes however I do plan on adding to my rental portfolio each year. I've thought some about multi-family but I'm not sure I want to deal with that right now since I manage my own properties. 

Post: How to avoid taxes with primary income from flipping properties?

Clayton CoombsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Glendale, AZ
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 69
Originally posted by @Eric Nurmi:
@Clayton Coombs

Ive pulled my money out of my 401k. I found I could do better with it than the market could. Also, as an entrepreneur, I didn’t like having my cash in something that restricted my control of it.

I agree to an extent... Most of my money is invested in real estate because that is what I know, I'm passionate about and in control of. However I'm also a believer in not having all my eggs in one basket which is why I still have some funds invested in the stock market/bonds both in the US and international. I am certainly not an expert in that field and as well all know the market has been up and down a lot lately. However I am looking for the long term gain considering I won't be touching that money for another 30 years. 

Post: How to avoid taxes with primary income from flipping properties?

Clayton CoombsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Glendale, AZ
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 69
Originally posted by @Mark Nickoson:

@Clayton Coombs, My advice is to pepper your flips with an occasional buy and hold.  I've been doing my own taxes for years.  I've hated it.  It has taken me way too long and I've missed a few deductions along the way.  But, I think it was worth it for me learning the principles.  You'll need to learn the principles too, because it is up to you to provide the receipts for your purchases and your activities.   Here are a few things I'd recommend reading:

IRS Publication 527 Residential Rental Property

Pub 535 Business Expenses

Pub 551 Basis of Asset

Pub 583 Starting a Business and Keeping Records

Pub 587 Business Use of Home

Pub 945 Depreciation

If you are just flipping, you won't get to use some of these concepts, but the more units you own, the more depreciation becomes your friend.  There are advantages and disadvantages of corporations.  Your CPAs and lawyers can help you with those concepts.

Don't forget to get @Amanda Han's book here on BP.  She's done a few podcasts too.

I like @Carl Fischer's strategy of using funds out of Self-directed IRAs, but I haven't used it yet. 

Use 1031 Exchange when you can.

Hopefully someone can advise you better for purely flipping.

Mark

Thank you Mark, that is great advice! I have been buying rental properties to offset my taxes as well as a long term retirement plan, however I have 1 of them for about 18 months and the other 2 I have owned less than 4 months. The 3 rentals should help but I'm not sure how much... As the years go on I will have more the depreciate. I will certainly read those publications! I know some of the basics but I want to learn as much as I can to help in future years. Thanks for sharing your knowledge! 

Post: How to avoid taxes with primary income from flipping properties?

Clayton CoombsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Glendale, AZ
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 69
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

You could always buy a new airplane and take section 179 bonus depreciation I have done that over the years.. 

but I love to fly and you make no money with them its a temporary fix.. 

I like the idea and would like to get my pilots license some day but unfortunately this won't be the year. Great advice for the future though! When I purchase some of my out of state rentals I can use the plane to visit them. 

Post: How to avoid taxes with primary income from flipping properties?

Clayton CoombsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Glendale, AZ
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 69
Originally posted by @Eamonn McElroy:

@Clayton Coombs

You and your CPA (or new CPA) need to be talking in the next week or two about year-end planning.

Based on what you've laid out so far, that discussion should focus on your potential QBI deduction and if you're above the threshold amount (and therefore phased into the limitation).  If you are, lowering taxable income to get below the threshold amount, or making an S election and paying out wages become front-burner priorities.

There are roughly 5 weeks left in the year, I would get on it...

 Thank you. Yes it's my primary focus which is why I started a discussion on here. I was hoping to get it all resolved a couple weeks ago when I met with my CPA but I didn't get any advice which is why I'm wanting to meet with someone else. I appreciate all the advice I have received so far!

Post: How to avoid taxes with primary income from flipping properties?

Clayton CoombsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Glendale, AZ
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 69
Originally posted by @Mary M.:

The rentals should give you depreciation which will lower your taxable income.  

 Yes, I am expecting some depreciation although I'm not sure if they can depreciate over the full year considering I've owned 2 of my 3 rental for a couple months now. It would help if they had a mortgage so I could write off the interest but I feel more comfortable not having a mortgage payment in case things go south.  

Post: How to avoid taxes with primary income from flipping properties?

Clayton CoombsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Glendale, AZ
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 69
Originally posted by @Ashish Acharya:
Originally posted by @Clayton Coombs:

Thank you Carl, I completely agree. 

I contribute about $18,000/ year towards my roth solo 401k and about the same about the same to my traditional sep IRA. I understand the traditional IRA gives me tax benefits now and the roth will give me benefits in the future. However I still have a lot of years left before I can start drawing from those accounts. I did recently make them self directed so I can use them with some real estate investments but ultimately those accounts are still a little low without getting a loan.

 You can do few things: 

1) Start to leverage more rentals so the you can offset rental loss againsts your income. You will have no limitations as you are a real estate professional. But a rentals that’s has more equity appreciation( In a nicer area), they will either break even Cashflow and will give you taxloss via depreciation. 

2) depending on your situation, start hiring your family member to shift income to Lower bracket or with no tax. . That way kids can fund their own education and even retirement accounts starting now rather than you funding their school/college via after tax money. 

3) you need to be contributing towards qualified profit sharing plans via your businesse. You can shelter more than 60k for you, and may be 60k for your spouse, if your entity is structured properly to make it happen.

4) hopefully you are running your flips via S -crop to save on self employment taxes. 

You need to talk to a good Professional.

 Great advice! I will certainly take all of that into consideration!

Post: How to avoid taxes with primary income from flipping properties?

Clayton CoombsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Glendale, AZ
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 69
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

welcome to the world of making money.. you could buy rentals that will give you some shelter..

but if your going to make big dollars either in commissions or flipping you pay tax.. simple as that.

and by paying tax you look very good to lenders who will allow you to scale up.

 You are correct about the rentals which is one of the reasons I purchases 2 more this year. However until I have a good amount of rentals under by belt I don't think it's going to help too much. 

It has been easier to get a loan compared to years past because of the extra income but I'm not really excited about taking on more debt... Although leverage can certainly help build wealth much faster and interest is a write off, I get nervous taking on additional payments. Certainly something to think about. 

Post: How to avoid taxes with primary income from flipping properties?

Clayton CoombsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Glendale, AZ
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 69
Originally posted by @Kevin Dong:

There is no way around it.  . but honestly I would rather paying much more tax because that means I make lots of profits resulting in the high tax

I used to think the same thing but once I got in this position things change. Although it looks like I made a bunch of money my lifestyle and bank account have remained the same. All profits were re-invested in which I hope results in more growth but realistically could also go the other way. It's tough watching your hard earned money go towards things you don't agree with. I do believe everyone needs to pay their fair share but sometimes it feels I'm being penalized for the 60-80 hour weeks that I have to put in to make this money. In my eyes a dollar saved is a dollar earned which is why I'm trying to get some help saving my hard earned dollars. 

Post: How to avoid taxes with primary income from flipping properties?

Clayton CoombsPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Glendale, AZ
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 69

Thank you Carl, I completely agree. 

I contribute about $18,000/ year towards my roth solo 401k and about the same about the same to my traditional sep IRA. I understand the traditional IRA gives me tax benefits now and the roth will give me benefits in the future. However I still have a lot of years left before I can start drawing from those accounts. I did recently make them self directed so I can use them with some real estate investments but ultimately those accounts are still a little low without getting a loan.