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All Forum Posts by: Cillian Kelly

Cillian Kelly has started 3 posts and replied 17 times.

Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Marian Ford

What type of investor are you looking for

same question 

I am willing to chat and help out. 

Anything to help further the real estate investment journey!

Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

Target a price based on where I am in my REI plan, which has a specific amount of cash available, and a specific return needed from that cash, at the specific timeline in my plan. Notice how often I used the word "specific".

 @Joe Villeneuve Do you factor in property appreciation in your ROI calc?

Do you purchase properties as a function of your savings and affordability or do you target specific purchase price?

Quote from @Eric Fernwood:

Hello @Amy Healy

Many of our clients used cash-out refinance in the past for the down payment on their next investment property. A few used HELOCs on their residences too.

What makes cash-out refi's and HELOCs difficult now are the high-interest rates.

You mentioned the possibility of selling your property and buying another property through a 1031 exchange. Here's is when I would choose a 1031 or a cash-out refi::

  • 1031 Exchange - You no longer wish to own the property and you believe that a replacement property will bring you more benefits.
  • Cash Out Refinance - The property is currently performing well and is expected to continue to do so in the future. If you want to keep the property but reinvest the accumulated equity, that could be a wise choice.

Ultimately, the decision to use a 1031 exchange or refinance and take out equity depends on your individual circumstances and investment goals.

1031 Exchange 45-Day Identification Period Consideration

The identification period for the replacement property is 45 days. Many people believe that they only need to identify (up to) three properties. However, this is a high-risk approach. For example, what happens if you identify a property and then cannot close on it due to inspection issues or other related problems? In such cases, you would lose your tax exemption.

To avoid risks, we coordinate the purchase of the replacement property with the sale of the relinquished property. Our goal is to close on the replacement property within two weeks of the exchange property's closing. This approach allows us to have time to get another property under contract if we run into a problem and cannot complete the purchase, while still staying within the 45-day identification period.

Financing Considerations

The days of finding a lender, and closing with that lender, are pretty much over. The process we are now following is illustrated below.

Immediately after we get a property under contract, We reach out to multiple lenders and request their interest rates and buy-down options. We then select the best option and close with that lender. Using this approach enables our clients to get a positive cash flow. Interest rate buy-downs are available for refinances and HELOCs.

Below is an example showing the benefit of the right interest rate buy down.

The challenge is that we cannot choose the final lender upfront because buy-down options vary almost daily. Therefore, we cannot explore buy-down options until we have the property under contract.

So, as soon as we have a property under contract, we reach out to multiple lenders. We then consolidate the many options and select the best five or ten options and put them on a spreadsheet. I then have a Zoom meeting with the client to go through the various option.

Amy, I apologize for not providing a simple answer. Unfortunately, there is no straightforward answer to your question. Here are some questions that I would consider:

  • Is the current investment property performing well? Will it likely perform better in the future? Most importantly, will the rent keep pace with inflation?
  • If you did a cash-out refinance using an interest-rate buy-down, what will be the cash flow situation with the current property?
  • If you do not believe that rents will keep pace with inflation, then a 1031 exchange may make sense.
  • If you choose to do a 1031 exchange, be aware that you cannot use the proceeds for renovating the replacement property. Some clients have chosen to pay taxes on a portion of the 1031 proceeds so that they can use it for renovation costs.
  • Work with someone who has a lot of experience dealing with 1031 exchanges. Is easy to trip up and lose your tax deferment.

Amy, I hope this helped.


 What are typical buy-down costs? What will 1pt (0.25% of interest) cost me? In the old days it used to be 1% of the principal of the mortgage 

I have a property with over $300k equity and I want to invest the equity in other real estate. I am debating between HELOCs and cash out refi. 

I have some experience with HELOCs, but usually for smaller amounts and I am wondering if I can take out more than $100k in cash from the HELOC.

@Becca F. 

Definitely try to do a recast on the property with a lot of equity down or any property you have prepaid. You can also make one lump sum prepayment and then recast. A recast is usually free or will cost a few hundred dollars. Bear in mind, a recast is different from refinancing. I do a recast pretty much annually. I have one property, where I started with $1500 monthly payment and now 8 years later I am down to $500 monthly payment (I have also tried to pay down the principal when I can). A recast is basically reamortizing your mortgage while keeping your term the same. For example, if you took a 30 year mortgage for $300k but over the last year you have prepaid some principal and now your balance is $250k. Your bank will reamortize the mortgage with a starting balance of $250k, same interest rate and 29 years. This will lower your monthly bill.

If you don't plan on buying any other real estate, you should consider de-levering yourself and paying off the debt. This will not only give you peace of mind, but also the math is generally in your favor esp with the high interest mortgages. This way you can receive a nice cashflow and generate passive income, which is likely why you are on this journey. Stocks are volatile and you get taxed on any capital gains. Also, good to have some stocks for the potential upside, but not only...  

@Becca F. you should create a plan with a passive income goal in mind. How much money do you need to generate in order to work part time? 

It seems that the leverage has gotten to you. If I were you I would create a plan to either delever myself or pay it off completely. 

You should prepay your indy properties and then do a recast in order to lower your monthly payment and increase cash flow. This may seem like a short term fix. Then use the cash flow your getting from all the properties to start paying them one by one. 

I have used a mobile app called Clarem https://apps.apple.com/us/app/clarem/id6477621387 to help me with a plan to build up my portfolio and pay it down. This maybe what you need. 

If you lose focus it can be very frustrating. I own 5 properties 2 already fully paid in cash, which increased my cashflow significantly. I might use the equity in those to purchase a few more and then again pay them off. This is the game 

What are the rates right now? How much can I take out? I have an investment property that's 75% paid off. What is the underwriting process? 

Post: HELOC or not to HELOC

Cillian KellyPosted
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Currently, I am building my real estate portfolio and then will pay it off. My home is just one input, I also have a few investment properties. My goal is to build $10k of passive income from rentals and become debt free - meaning paying off all of my mortgages (home and investments). I am using a mobile app that tells me how much to save and which property to payoff. PM me if you want the details